HPDE1 - FULL for Saturday

[bpanther]

HPDE1 is full for Saturday!!! Thank you for getting entered well before the event.

For those still wanting to do HPDE1, please sign up for Sunday as there are still some spots left. Don't wait as I imagine that they'll fill up soon as well.

[JLMounce]

How many cars is that total?

[bpanther]

20 cars total for HPDE1. 10 in group A and 10 in group B.:D

[JLMounce]

Sounds great.

I'm so anxtious for this. It's a mad scramble to get the car ready though. Brakes pads and sub-frames are in the mail and should arrive mid next week. I'll be installing both on Saturday as well as checking fluids etc. Still have to get the car teched too.

[Warrtalon]

20 cars total for HPDE1. 10 in group A and 10 in group B.:D

Is it the same limit for HPDE2? I think I'm actually used to more than 20 cars, so that's a good limit to me. Do the 2 groups mean anything? Do they all race together or separately? I'm asking with the assumption that HPDE2 will be treated the same, though it may not.

[bpanther]

HPDE1A = 10 cars
HPDE2A < 8 cars

Group 1a/2a = 18 cars max

HPDE1B = 10 cars
HPDE2B < 8 cars

Group 1b/2b = 18 cars max

A and B are on track at different times, but are exactly the same.

[Warrtalon]

HPDE1A = 10 cars
HPDE2A < 8 cars

Group 1a/2a = 18 cars max

HPDE1B = 10 cars
HPDE2B < 8 cars

Group 1b/2b = 18 cars max

A and B are on track at different times, but are exactly the same.

Hmm, I may be MORE confused now. Does this mean there will be HPDE1 and HPDE2 cars on the track at the same time? Ack, that's what I was trying to avoid by signing up for HPDE2. Spending more than half the time in a train around the technical parts of the course hinders learning imo, but I may be reading this wrongly.

[bpanther]

Nope... you're reading correctly. I guess I need to make that a little more clear in the descriptions.

The main difference between HPDE1 and HPDE2 (since they share the track) is HPDE2 does not have one on one instructors.

We can switch you to HPDE3 before the event (I need to double check your history) or we can do it during the weekend once you "get up to speed".

[Warrtalon]

Nope... you're reading correctly. I guess I need to make that a little more clear in the descriptions.

The main difference between HPDE1 and HPDE2 (since they share the track) is HPDE2 does not have one on one instructors.

We can switch you to HPDE3 before the event (I need to double check your history) or we can do it during the weekend once you "get up to speed".

Hmm, ok. What I was used to with the Mid-Atlantic region is HPDE1 and 2 both have instructors, but they are on the track at different times. HPDE2 was much faster and had more passing points, but HPDE1 was very slow overall and only had 1 major passing point (on the straight). There were times I'd have to pass 3-4 cars down the straight and then still be in a slow train through the next 2 miles before passing another 3-4 cars on the straight.

HPDE2 ran separately, but with instructors. These people weren't new to the track, so things were much more smooth. I got upgraded from 1 to 2 by my instructor from Saturday to Sunday, but I don't think I'd be ready for 3 yet. I'm still a novice for the most part, but I definitely did the majority of my learning in the rare occasion when I was able to traverse all the turns at full speed.

I would be happy to start in 2, and if I can even be CONSIDERED for a move to 3 on Sunday, that would be fine with me. I was just concerned with having to drive around 10 HPDE1 cars while in HPDE2. Is there a reason why the 1s and 2s aren't separated like in the Mid-Atlantic?

[bpanther]

I would be happy to start in 2, and if I can even be CONSIDERED for a move to 3 on Sunday, that would be fine with me. I was just concerned with having to drive around 10 HPDE1 cars while in HPDE2. Is there a reason why the 1s and 2s aren't separated like in the Mid-Atlantic?

We run a "west coast" offense here in Colorado. This is typical of NorCal, SoCal, AZ and I believe Texas. The thought to combining HPDE1 and HPDE2 is that HPDE2 students really aren't much more skilled than HPDE1. When we have let them have their own group (sans instructors), they start to get into trouble.

[Warrtalon]

We run a "west coast" offense here in Colorado. This is typical of NorCal, SoCal, AZ and I believe Texas. The thought to combining HPDE1 and HPDE2 is that HPDE2 students really aren't much more skilled than HPDE1. When we have let them have their own group (sans instructors), they start to get into trouble.

Maybe that's the difference then. Since HPDE2 also had instructors, things stayed "in hand." We didn't go instructorless until HPDE3, but HPDE2 had instructors while having the track to itself. A full group of people who have all done multiple HPDE1s was a lot different than a track full of new drivers.

Basically, it's just time for me to adopt a new convention and move forward. How do we get consideration for HPDE3 while in HPDE2 if there is no instructor?

[MHISSTC]

The instructors do notice what is going on out on the track and make little mental notes on how folks are conducting themselves. I believe anyone in any group can have an instructor ride with them at any time if you would like a little more formal evaluation or help.

If there is any reason you do not feel comfortable in a specific group or out on the track at any time, please talk to somebody.

[Warrtalon]

The instructors do notice what is going on out on the track and make little mental notes on how folks are conducting themselves. I believe anyone in any group can have an instructor ride with them at any time if you would like a little more formal evaluation or help.

If there is any reason you do not feel comfortable in a specific group or out on the track at any time, please talk to somebody.

I personally wanted an instructor just so I can be taught the best line on the track. Not so much how to drive, although I'm sure there is still to learn, but more so how to properly and efficiently traverse the course. At Summit Point there were special angles and methods through certain turns (like the chute) where I never would have known to try it had my instructor not told me. I nailed the element when told how to do it, but it was definitely not intuitive.

Anyway, if I can get someone who knows PMI very well, I'd love to have that at least for the first two sessions.