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Weston
11-12-2007, 07:44 PM
Sounds like this might be a good deal... an '88 for $1500 OBO.

http://cosprings.craigslist.org/car/473750401.html

chris_venturini
11-12-2007, 08:09 PM
hmmm, hes saying its an 88 but those look like cookie cutters to me.

Weston
11-12-2007, 08:41 PM
iirc, they made the cookies with the late offsets too, but they were somewhat rare and I think they might have been a different size or something. I saw all of that info somewhere once, but don't remember where I found it.

Weston
11-12-2007, 08:45 PM
Here's an '87 924S that might be in pretty good shape for $2500...

http://denver.craigslist.org/car/477103113.html

chris_venturini
11-12-2007, 08:46 PM
hmm, i guess you can kinda see the dash and it kinda looks like a late dash, so maybe. I might have to check it out for a future 944 driver... (though ill be really jealous if they get an 88 944 which is what I wanted)

Weston
11-12-2007, 09:07 PM
hmm, i guess you can kinda see the dash and it kinda looks like a late dash, so maybe. I might have to check it out for a future 944 driver... (though ill be really jealous if they get an 88 944 which is what I wanted)

Buy it, then keep the #2 car as a rental. :D

DGrande
11-12-2007, 09:51 PM
Since my car hung together this weekend I'm not in the market for a different 944 but I would like a second set of wheels. If you guys run across any early off set wheels please let me know.

Bottoz
11-12-2007, 10:04 PM
Hmm.... e-mail sent. :)

cullenwinter
11-12-2007, 10:11 PM
Hmm.... e-mail sent. :)

Shazamm !! Another one drinks the Kool-aid. Right-on CJ ;)

Man, did it suck staying home this weekend, but I did remove another 30+ lbs from the 924S, and parts start arriving this week.

Snymo
11-12-2007, 11:17 PM
Man, did it suck staying home this weekend

Cullen, I can guarantee you that being AT the track without your 944 sucked way more!!! :(

CJ, are you going to make the leap or just thinking about it??? Either way, that kool-aid tastes good, huh? :rolleyes:

Rick

svochuck
11-13-2007, 02:55 AM
Bu HAHAHAHA

AvantAddict
11-13-2007, 05:58 AM
Either way, that kool-aid tastes good, huh?

Chuck does make a mighty fine kool-aid.:D

944-spec#94
11-13-2007, 07:11 AM
hmmm, hes saying its an 88 but those look like cookie cutters to me.

Actually looks like early offset cookies on a late offset car since the wheels seem to almost stick out of the fenders. Hard to tell for sure given that small picture.

I do agree that it looks like a late dash.

Bottoz
11-13-2007, 07:54 AM
...

CJ, are you going to make the leap or just thinking about it??? Either way, that kool-aid tastes good, huh? :rolleyes:

Rick

I've been thinking of taking the leap all year.... and with a 944 in town and cheap it's hard to pass up. I'm going to take a look at it this afternoon. Anything I should look for in paticular?

cullenwinter
11-13-2007, 08:02 AM
I've been thinking of taking the leap all year.... and with a 944 in town and cheap it's hard to pass up. I'm going to take a look at it this afternoon. Anything I should look for in paticular?

Just have your head checked :D Welcome to the fun !

Get over to the NASA spec944 forums, there are a number of threads with used car buying advice. http://www.nasaforums.com/viewforum.php?f=40

gsnyder828
11-13-2007, 08:29 AM
'scuse the newbie question... but is the only difference between a 924S and a 944 the bodywork?

geoff

944-spec#94
11-13-2007, 08:43 AM
'scuse the newbie question... but is the only difference between a 924S and a 944 the bodywork?

geoff

Yes.
The only unique parts on the 924S are the narrow fenders and 15x6 wheels. Otherwise everything else also came on a 944 from 83-88. There are a number of detail changes made between 83 and 88 and the 87 and 88 924S uses a mix of older 944 parts and new 944 parts. The 15x6 wheels of course are not used in 944 spec racing.

In general there are two series of 944.
Early Cars
83-85 model year

Late Cars
85.5 (mid year update) to 88 944.

There were a long list of detail changes made between the early and late cars. The 924S uses a mix of early and late parts. In general you can update/backdate between early and late as you choose. In practice there is not specific advantage to any year although there some nice features in certain years. The update/backdate rules mean however you are never "stuck" buying the wrong year car.

I race an 84 944 and have two 924S as parts cars since most of the parts transfer over easily. The 924S also make good parts cars since they have some nice later model parts thrown in there while keeping many early parts. Plus most 924S cars seem to go for less than similar year 944s. I guess it is the curse of the narrow fenders and old dash arrangement.

Weston
11-13-2007, 09:09 AM
I've been thinking of taking the leap all year.... and with a 944 in town and cheap it's hard to pass up. I'm going to take a look at it this afternoon. Anything I should look for in paticular?

Cool! Yeah, $1500 is the cheapest I've seen an '88 944 for... you can usually only get a 924S or an early 944 for that price. Most of these cars will need a few things, but a lot of it is surprisingly easy and cheap if you do the work yourself (or bring the car to Chuck's and we'll do it).

I wouldn't watch out for much more than another car... The clutch and water pump parts are more expensive than most other cars, and I think the fuel pump might be too, but many other things aren't bad if you shop around. Many running and starting issues tend to have a simple cause, as long as the engine's compression numbers are good (my '83 is 160psi when warm; the '88 should be a tad higher).

One thing that would be a good idea is to check out the option code sticker in the trunk. It's a bunch of 3-digit codes on a sticker that is usually near the spare tire well. Write them down and we can decode them to find out about any special features that the car came with (ie big sway bars, Koni shocks, LSD, etc).

Bottoz
11-13-2007, 09:16 AM
WooHoo... I'm looking at it today at 5.

Snymo
11-13-2007, 09:27 AM
CJ,

The 944 FAQ (http://www.connact.com/~kgross/FAQ/944faq.html) has a lot of good information about these cars as well as a section for first time buyers (http://www.connact.com/~kgross/FAQ/944faq05.html). Check it out as it may be helpful. Also, check the options codes (http://www.944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI_Store.cgi?Search+XPage_optioncodes.html) in the spare tire well to see what it came from the factory with. This is a great way to see what has changed over the years (for better or worse).

Rick

svochuck
11-13-2007, 11:34 AM
CJ please give me a call during or after you see it . If it's close to being right I will buy it. I'm pretty sure Keith or someone will need a car by March.
PM sent with number.

thanks

Bottoz
11-13-2007, 06:30 PM
Alright. I took a look at it today. First off... he said it has been sitting for about a year and needed a jump. We hooked up the cables and it started right up. No smoke. It was a little after 5pm... so I didn't get a great look at the outside or inside. But, one of the wheels is dented in a bit on the lip. It still holds pressure... but I bet it'll need one new wheel for racing. I found where the option sticker used to be (thanks Chuck!). Somewhere down the line someone decided to peel it off. I could see the outline of it's remains. The car as 269,xxx miles on it. AHHH! No oil spots were in the drive way though.

The first thing I noticed was the big huge bright red ! in the middle of the dash. On either side were two other red items. Brake Fluid and Parking Brake. The brakes didn't squeak, but the parking brake didn't work. The clutch felt ok while driving it. It went in all gears very smoothly. Over bumps, the suspension squeaked a bit. There's a small crack in the wind shield. The owner said he had the compression checked a while back... 170 across the board. He also said the head was rebuilt. I assume that was due to a timing belt break???... I'll ask tomorrow to be sure. One headlight was out, and I don't think the turn signals worked.

So... for $1500 OBO, should I take it?

chris_venturini
11-13-2007, 06:37 PM
ebrake... who needs it? id do a comp check myself to be sure. suspension squeek, dont matter, going to be replaced anyway. brakes, same deal, going to replace anyway. As long as the engine is sound it seems like a good deal to me. id still talk him down though.

Weston
11-13-2007, 06:48 PM
ebrake... who needs it? id do a comp check myself to be sure. suspension squeek, dont matter, going to be replaced anyway. brakes, same deal, going to replace anyway. As long as the engine is sound it seems like a good deal to me. id still talk him down though.

It's hard to be certain without having seen it for myself, but I'd agree. If the drivetrain is in good shape, it seems like a good deal for a race car project. The e-brake is separate from the normal rear brakes and probably isn't that bad to fix anyway. As odd as it sounds, the 269,xxx miles might not be a bad thing... that means that it must have had a decent amount of maintenance over the years, so you might have some better condition parts than the 20+ year old stuff that can be found on some of our cars. A lot of the issues that I first had with my car were caused by age rather than miles... lots of bad rubber seals and hoses, plastic that got brittle and broke, etc.

chris_venturini
11-13-2007, 06:56 PM
one thing i forgot to mention to check is the front control arms. the late cars used aluminum control arms that were more prone to cracking than the early steel ones and are more expensive to replace.

Bottoz
11-13-2007, 06:57 PM
Thanks guys. I'm going over tomorrow right after work to start wheeling and dealing. More than likely, I'll be coming home with a Porsche!

Oh... the drivers side door handle doesn't work from the outside. LOL, I'll just jump in Dukes of Hazzard style.

chris_venturini
11-13-2007, 07:01 PM
weston and mike both have the same issue, pull the handle, push in on the door then pull out. its an easy fix though, just need to realign the door.

Bottoz
11-15-2007, 11:17 AM
I'm picking it up this afternoon. Now it's time to pick a number. I'm trying to convince my friend Jason to drink some of the 944 CoolAid...

Weston
11-15-2007, 12:02 PM
I'm picking it up this afternoon. Now it's time to pick a number. I'm trying to convince my friend Jason to drink some of the 944 CoolAid...

Cool!

Snymo
11-15-2007, 12:09 PM
I'm picking it up this afternoon. Now it's time to pick a number. I'm trying to convince my friend Jason to drink some of the 944 CoolAid...

Sweet!!! :D

svochuck
11-15-2007, 12:49 PM
Great job ! one day with a car and he has a +1 .

Get em CJ

Bottoz
11-15-2007, 05:17 PM
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Weston
11-15-2007, 05:43 PM
Looks good, especially for the price! That wheel doesn't even look bad from the pic... it looks like the tire took most of the damage.

Bottoz
11-15-2007, 05:46 PM
I'm going thru all the repair records the guy kept. I'm about 1/3 of the way done and he's got a lot of work into this car! I'll post the results when I get done sorting everything out.

Bottoz
11-15-2007, 06:30 PM
Well... with 269k on the clock, I would expect a bunch of receipts. Totaled up, there's been $8183 in repairs and maintenance done in the last 15 years. Those are just the stuff he kept. God knows what else.

So... where should I start? Gutting the interior?

RichV
11-15-2007, 06:33 PM
Dude, I think that's a friends ex-car. He sold it here in Castle Rock to a guy that woked at a bicycle shop. I know he had a bunch of miles on it and the hood had the same discoloration/peeling. Does it have a relatively new shiftknob/boot?

Bottoz
11-15-2007, 07:17 PM
Nope, the knob is old. All the repair receipts come from California and Colorado. I have all the Registration renewal paperwork too. Nothing is from Castle Rock.

Hey guys... the VIN plate has ZZZ in it, but the Title has AB0. So, do I have a RoW model, or a US Model?

Weston
11-15-2007, 07:29 PM
Nope, the knob is old. All the repair receipts come from California and Colorado. I have all the Registration renewal paperwork too. Nothing is from Castle Rock.

Hey guys... the VIN plate has ZZZ in it, but the Title has AB0. So, do I have a RoW model, or a US Model?

What's stamped on the firewall in the engine bay is the body ID, and we all have ZZZ there, as far as I know. The VIN tag in the windshield will be different. My VIN starts with WP0AA0, which indicates that it's a US model with the primary engine option and the only safety device is seatbelts (no airbag). For '87 and '88 944's, AA is the 944S, and AB is the regular 944.

Here's a little more VIN info: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/4786/VINAnat.html

svochuck
11-15-2007, 08:22 PM
Yep STEP 1 call Hank to schedule a cage and then gut it out ! the dash will need to come out for the cage and the fun starts !

And what number do you want ?

Bottoz
11-15-2007, 08:25 PM
Lets go with... Um... #37. I'm 37 (http://thirty-seven.org/sounds/37-1-1.wav)?!?!

ker
11-15-2007, 09:14 PM
So... where should I start?

on behalf of the knuckle dragging community of who rarely frequents the tea bar............START WITH AN AI CAR :D

Bottoz
11-15-2007, 10:06 PM
Ya know Kevin... As I sip my Lemon Zinger Tea tomorrow morning at work I'll be thinking of you. ;)

BADVENM
11-16-2007, 03:06 AM
Yep STEP 1 call Hank to schedule a cage and then gut it out ! the dash will need to come out for the cage and the fun starts !

And what number do you want ?

Please schedule the cage after me :D

chris_venturini
11-16-2007, 10:46 AM
congrats, CJ will be a great addition to the group!
Let us know if you need help with the car, We know the cars like the back of our bloody, cut up, disfigured hands.

Bottoz
11-16-2007, 11:17 AM
Thanks Chris. I'm going to start gutting it this weekend. Soon as the Atom sells I'll start the bombardment of questions on what I need to order/replace/repair.

Well... I do have one question right now. The battery is kaput. Do you guys run lightweight batteries, or just whatever is at the VatoZone?

Weston
11-16-2007, 11:31 AM
Well... I do have one question right now. The battery is kaput. Do you guys run lightweight batteries, or just whatever is at the VatoZone?

I'm going to replace mine with a lightweight one in the near future. I was just talking to Dirks about the one he found at Walmart...

... I think it was one down from the biggest motorcycle application...10.x lbs full. The terminals are the small bolt kind, so you'll need to change terminal types. I fabricated my own mounting bracket, too, but it wasn't difficult. ...

Bottoz
11-17-2007, 05:26 PM
Well... I started gutting it today. To my surprise, it started to look quite nice after a while....













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Weston
11-17-2007, 05:41 PM
Well... I started gutting it today. To my surprise, it started to look quite nice after a while....













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911 Turbo's aren't Spec legal, but I'll help you get Chuck drunk enough to allow it... if you take me for a ride in it. :cool:

Bottoz
11-17-2007, 05:44 PM
Alright!

LOL ok.. A friend of mine (the same one I'm trying to convince to go 944 next year) went by the local Porsche dealer to get something done on their Cayenne Turbo. He said they had an 88 944 there... but it was an Auto. I think if it was a manual he might have bought it. So, instead of getting the 944 he got a test drive in that 911. :)

My progress... I've got nearly everything out of the hatch and rear seat area. Tomorrow I'll finish that and start on the front area.

95sprtcpedrvr
11-17-2007, 05:45 PM
911 Turbo's aren't Spec legal, but I'll help you get Chuck drunk enough to allow it... if you take me for a ride in it. :cool:

No, no, no, that is what the car looks like now after he started gutting it. Makes me want to get one. :rolleyes:

Bottoz
11-17-2007, 05:47 PM
John - You know what I would do if I had 2 Neons? Sell one and get a 944! :)

95sprtcpedrvr
11-17-2007, 05:54 PM
I don't know. It's going to have to take alot more than twisting my arm off or pulling my nostril hairs one by one to convince me to do that.

cullenwinter
11-17-2007, 05:54 PM
John - You know what I would do if I had 2 Neons? Sell one and get a 944! :)

Excellent advice, CJ !!

svochuck
11-17-2007, 09:28 PM
So what number do you want John ? We could use a 20th car for next year .

Bottoz
11-17-2007, 10:07 PM
Ooooh 20 944Spec cars in the RM region. That'd make for some nice Toyo bucks, right?

Lightning
11-20-2007, 05:22 PM
So what number do you want John ? We could use a 20th car for next year .

I wouldn't mind taking the 20th slot, working on getting a car now.

What do you guys think of this one (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=233251096&dealer_id=61446423&car_year=1987&model=924&num_records=25&systime=1195412311557&make2=&start_year=1987&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=200&marketZipError=false&search_lang=&make=POR&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=80923&advanced=&end_year=1988&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=39&superSpotlight=)? I have pics if anyone wants to see it...

chris_venturini
11-20-2007, 05:34 PM
First off, welcome to the group! look forward to racing with ya.

hmmm, if i were you id keep looking.
reasons being, priced way too high for a 924S, even with the low miles. Its an 87 924S so it doesnt have the short 5th or high comp engine of the 88 924S.
chip, cam, and abs are illegal and would require extra work to replace.
other than that though it sounds like a solid reliable car which says more than most of the cars on track. depends on how much you want to spend and how much work you want to do.

Weston
11-20-2007, 06:02 PM
I wouldn't mind taking the 20th slot, working on getting a car now.

What do you guys think of this one (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=233251096&dealer_id=61446423&car_year=1987&model=924&num_records=25&systime=1195412311557&make2=&start_year=1987&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=200&marketZipError=false&search_lang=&make=POR&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=80923&advanced=&end_year=1988&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=39&superSpotlight=)? I have pics if anyone wants to see it...

The price seems a bit high, and you can't use the performance chip or cam in 944-Spec. I would wait for a better deal... It's not unusual to find a good race car candidate for around $2000 or less. Craigslist usually has the cheaper ones, but I haven't seen anything recently.

Weston
11-20-2007, 06:03 PM
First off, welcome to the group! look forward to racing with ya.

hmmm, if i were you id keep looking.
reasons being, priced way too high for a 924S, even with the low miles. Its an 87 924S so it doesnt have the short 5th or high comp engine of the 88 924S.
chip, cam, and abs are illegal and would require extra work to replace.
other than that though it sounds like a solid reliable car which says more than most of the cars on track. depends on how much you want to spend and how much work you want to do.

iirc, the '87-88 924S had the short 5th, but the 944 only had it in '88

Weston
11-20-2007, 08:18 PM
I'm going to replace mine with a lightweight one in the near future. I was just talking to Dirks about the one he found at Walmart...

Update: it looks like it's EverStart model # ES16B for $37.94 + $10 core at Walmart. There are several versions of ES16's, but the 16B has the better kind of terminals. I just picked one up and it's identical to Dirks' pictures... Now I just need to adapt my terminals and fab up a box/bracket like his to hold it...

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cullenwinter
11-20-2007, 08:31 PM
How much weight are you saving with this battery again ? thanks

dmdirks
11-20-2007, 08:47 PM
I saved about 24lbs. :cool:

Weston
11-20-2007, 09:09 PM
And that's 24 lbs of weight from a high location, so it's more valuable than just a regular 24 lbs.

I replaced my starter before the last event and intentionally chose to use a heavy early starter, rather than going with the much lighter '85.5+ starter... it's pretty much the lowest point on the car, so the more weight I keep there, the more weight that I can take out of higher places.

Bottoz
11-20-2007, 09:40 PM
I picked up a battery from VatoZone yesterday. The bathroom scale said 14lbs.... I didn't weight the old one, guess I should have. Perhaps my scale is way off as I expected it to be much heavier.

cullenwinter
11-20-2007, 09:51 PM
I saved about 24lbs. :cool:

Bitchin' !!

svochuck
11-20-2007, 10:26 PM
I wouldn't mind taking the 20th slot, working on getting a car now.


Can you make it to the build party on the 8th ?

What are you looking for in a car ? is a 924S ok ? they seem to cost less than 944's.

2008 is going to be awesome for NASARM and for 944-spec !