The Picture / Video Thread

[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[Mike_W]

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[chris_venturini]

Awesome pictures Mike! Thanks for being the official photographer for the weekend.

[Weston]

Great pics! Thanks Mike.

[svochuck]

Great job Mike thanks for the pictures and for picking up rick !

[raybob9289]

Hey Dudes,
Why don't you guys have your last names on the windsheild so we can tell who your are????

[95sprtcpedrvr]

This thread is biased!!!

Does this mean that the Spec 944's are more photogenic??? :D

[cullenwinter]

Chuck, were you shooting video out the back of the black car ? Trying to figure out what that appendage is. Can't wait for the movie !

Damn, I wish I was there....

[bpanther]

Hey Dudes,
Why don't you guys have your last names on the windsheild so we can tell who your are????

Cause the #24 would have said: "Rogerstaylorbalingit" and blocked our view worse than a giant Fig Newton [wrong cookie edit] logo.

[bpanther]

Image fixed... :rolleyes:

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[chris_venturini]

This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.

[mitchntx]

Was the guy taking the podium pics there all weekend? I saw several folks cruising the track taking snaps. Who do I contact?

Mitch Warren
CMC #9
white (and blue and red) Firebird

[Weston]

Was the guy taking the podium pics there all weekend? I saw several folks cruising the track taking snaps. Who do I contact?

Mitch Warren
CMC #9
white (and blue and red) Firebird

I'm thinking it was Performance Imagery (http://www.PerformanceImagery.com) that was out there, but I'm not sure. Mike's pics show someone in an orange vest under the starter stand and it looks like they got a shot of my close finish with Chris, so I'm hoping to see that picture...

[bpanther]

That was Anna, John Shetler's GF.

Keith from Performance was busy this weekend, but fortunately he was able to find time to bring by the trophy girls.

[qikline]

I may be mistaken, but I thought I saw some other make cars at that event!

Is this some sort of trick camera?

[supermac]

I may be mistaken, but I thought I saw some other make cars at that event!

Is this some sort of trick camera?

Nope, just a bunch of Kool-Aid drinking cake eaters.

[svochuck]

Nope, just a bunch of Kool-Aid drinking cake eaters.


Yes we are !

And yep I had a camera front and back AND Traqmate so i will have lots of video ASAP. For next year i will make sure it even works !

[Weston]

Chuck, I got a copy of your rear-facing video from Saturday, but I still need your front-facing video (I'll see if I can fix that file header), and everything for Sunday, as well as anything that other people shot. I know Doug got video, but I'm not sure about Dirks or Chris...

[Mustcone347]

I may be mistaken, but I thought I saw some other make cars at that event!

Is this some sort of trick camera?

If i see one more pic of a spec 944 I am going to puke.................they all look the same (that is, they are in slooooow motion) no matter what angle your photo is from.

M


ps
please spare us any more photo documentaries and post these photos in your own little corner that says "SPEC 944 photos here". "Picture/Video thread" title for the whole weekend that gets our hopes up to see some actual cars.


;)

[ker]

If i see one more pic of a spec 944 I am going to puke.................they all look the same (that is, they are in slooooow motion) no matter what angle your photo is from.

M


ps
please spare us any more photo documentaries and post these photos in your own little corner that says "SPEC 944 photos here". "Picture/Video thread" title for the whole weekend that gets our hopes up to see some actual cars.


;)
definitely not drinking the "cool-ade" :eek: ;)

[Weston]

The knuckle-draggers are more than welcome to post their pics & video in this thread too. :D

[cullenwinter]

definitely not drinking the "cool-ade" :eek: ;)


I would say "choking on the Kool-aid" :D

[Weston]

Well, when Kool-aid man busts through your wall like that, it's bound to make some people upset. ;)

[chris_venturini]

sounds like someone has klasse envy

[svochuck]

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Cody getting passed by 3 944-spec cars. Or was he passing us ? I don't remember. ;)

[DGrande]

I have A LOT of video from the weekend - I have little idea how to use Final Cut to put it into movie format and NO idea how to post it to the web - Chris, Weston - any quick tips? Oh, those Trophy Girls took a picture with my car so if anyone knows who was taking the photos I'd like to contact them.

[Weston]

Doug, what did you use as a recording device? If it was a camcorder, do you know if it was MiniDV or another format? I'm sure we can get something figured out...

[Weston]

Here are some pics from my car...

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[Weston]

Chris had just watched Tokyo Drift
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Dirks and Chris driving in the dirt
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Pushing Chris
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My spin in turn 3
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[Weston]

Dave B's spin in turn 3...

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[Weston]

Dirks cutting me off
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Finishing 0.098 seconds behind Chris
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[chris_venturini]

those are awesome and funny at the same time

[dmdirks]

Dirks cutting me off
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That must have been after my rear view mirror fell off...:D

[ker]

That must have been after my rear view mirror fell off...:D

looks to me like a clean pass................who's in front:eek: :D

[Weston]

looks to me like a clean pass................who's in front:eek: :D

Hey now... don't encourage him! I think he should have given me the inside there. ;) I was just trying to pass him as he made a move on Chris. :D

[chris_venturini]

dirks always makes moves on me:o

[Snymo]

dirks always makes moves on me:o

Does Michelle know about this? :D

[dmdirks]

dirks always makes moves on me:o

Shhh...don't tell the girls...:rolleyes:

[Weston]

Maybe Dirks should share the "gay tent" with Chris from now on...

[dmdirks]

Maybe Dirks should share the "gay tent" with Chris from now on...

No, you and Chris can keep using it. Matter of fact Revkah brought up at the AI/CMC smack talk camp last Saturday night and everyone got a kick out of it...:p

[Weston]

No, you and Chris can keep using it. Matter of fact Revkah brought up at the AI/CMC smack talk camp last Saturday night and everyone got a kick out of it...:p

:o

Anyway, back on topic... Here are some non-944 pics: http://www.coracing.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=43800

[DGrande]

Thanks for getting us back on topic - I really don't want to know what goes on in the tent.. Weston, I use a chase cam feeding into a mini dv cam corder. Its probably no big deal but I've never spent the time to figure out IDVD or Final Cut on my Mac. I just need to find the time to do it (you'll know what I mean when you have kids....)

[Weston]

Thanks for getting us back on topic - I really don't want to know what goes on in the tent.. Weston, I use a chase cam feeding into a mini dv cam corder. Its probably no big deal but I've never spent the time to figure out IDVD or Final Cut on my Mac. I just need to find the time to do it (you'll know what I mean when you have kids....)

Ok, then it's probably just a matter of connecting your camera to the computer with a Firewire cable (aka IEEE1394) and capturing the video. I can't say for certain without having seen your setup, but you usually need a cable with a 4-pin connector on one end (for the camera) and a 6-pin on the other end (computer). I'd expect it to automatically detect when the camera is connected and turned on, because Windows does that and Macs are generally better with multimedia stuff.

I could also just borrow your MiniDV tapes for a night and make video files out them if you want, assuming they were recorded in standard mode (ie SP 60 minutes instead of LP 90 minutes). That would be really easy for me to do, and that way I'd have a full quality version of them to mix with the video from my car and Chuck's car. Let me know what you want to do...

[Mustcone347]

sounds like someone has klasse envy

spec'ers

You guys are a little touchy as far as the whole pic thread................any yes you are all correct I am envious that you have take more pics this past weekend then my wife has taken of our 1 year old in the last 12 months.

Lighten up a bit I was just poking a little fun.

:rolleyes:

[Weston]

spec'ers

You guys are a little touchy as far as the whole pic thread................any yes you are all correct I am envious that you have take more pics this past weekend then my wife has taken of our 1 year old in the last 12 months.

Lighten up a bit I was just poking a little fun.

:rolleyes:

Chris wasn't being serious. The whole "cake eaters vs knuckledraggers" thing is just a friendly rivalry. They tease us, we tease them, and it's all in good fun.

[chris_venturini]

nope, really wasn't serious as indicated by the "klasse". just a 944/ CMC thing we do, " its how we roll."

bout to post up dinner pics

[chris_venturini]

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[chris_venturini]

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[chris_venturini]

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[fhudsonjr]

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I don't know who all you cake-eaters are. I think this is Chris, but whoever this is, take a close look at his knuckles on his left hand (for the knuckle-draggers, that's the hand on the right as you look at the picture):D ...is he a closet knuckle-dragger?:confused: :eek:

[svochuck]

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You should be a cake eater too ! See how happy it makes you .

[Weston]

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I don't know who all you cake-eaters are. I think this is Chris, but whoever this is, take a close look at his knuckles on his left hand (for the knuckle-draggers, that's the hand on the right as you look at the picture):D ...is he a closet knuckle-dragger?:confused: :eek:

Yup, that's Chris and he is a closet knuckle-dragger... he may not know much about LS1's, but get a few beers in him and he'll be drinking Bud Light and running around in public without his pants on. :eek:

[Snymo]

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You should be a cake eater too ! See how happy it makes you .

I think I can see Mitchell's brains!!! :D

[Weston]

Time for some video...

Saturday's Heat Race: http://www.rm944.com/events/2007-11-10_11%20Pueblo/Sat%20Heat.wmv


More to come later...

[chris_venturini]

good editing work like always weston

sigh: another case of parts falling off my car. in this one my power steering pump broke, the shaft came out, piercing my radiator hose. ( i bought a new hose dirks so i can give it back. Thanks!)

[dmdirks]

Nice job on the video, Weston. That was fun to watch.

No problem on the hose, Chris. I had forgotten about it anyway. Just keep it with you as a spare.

BTW Chris, I saw several opportunities where you should have challenged me... And with those crappy tires I was running you might have been successful! (Emphasize *might*...;))

[supermac]

Nice job on the video, Weston. That was fun to watch.

No problem on the hose, Chris. I had forgotten about it anyway. Just keep it with you as a spare.

BTW Chris, I saw several opportunities where you should have challenged me... And with those crappy tires I was running you might have been successful! (Emphasize *might*...;))

He couldn't pass, that wasn't written up in the script.:rolleyes:

[svochuck]

He couldn't pass, that wasn't written up in the script.:rolleyes:

Now now mr cody ... if you guys would play nice more often you could have more cars next year than 944-spec.

It's all about having fun ! Dirks with a handicap makes for close racing no script needed .


"The script for 944-spec"
Act 1 s 1 .... Build my grey car.
s 2 ... buy 4 or 5 more cars
s 3 ... sell cars to new 944-racers
s 4 .. race and have fun
s 5 ... make fun of the mullet boys

Act 2 s1 Take over the world
s2 eat cake

[MHISSTC]

I enjoyed the video, but the incessant buzz, buzz, buzz, buzzing gave me a headache. My suggestion is to turn the volume down and make your own V8-like vroom, vroom sounds.

:D

[svochuck]

I enjoyed the video, but the incessant buzz, buzz, buzz, buzzing gave me a headache. My suggestion is to turn the volume down and make your own V8-like vroom, vroom sounds.

:D

that's a great idea ! Weston .. get on that .

[cullenwinter]

Gee Chuck, you kept up pretty good for being in reverse the whole time :D Is it that dull running with the kids that you have to drive backwards just to make it a challenge ?

[MHISSTC]

Is it that dull running with the kids that you have to drive backwards just to make it a challenge ?

:)

I think the current series points leader should be required to put the rear view camera on his/her car so we can see the action play out behind the leader. That way the rest of us wanna-be racers don't have to be subjected to Chuck's "Optimism-Vision".

Of course, from Kevin's point of view, it was the "Humiliation-Vision"

:D

[chris_venturini]

is Weston attempting a Zanardi pass on me at 2:03? Hate to break it to you weston, but you're doing it on the wrong side...

[chris_venturini]

these videos are great though, i can learn alot. I give up my line too much when someone is near me, even if they arent at my bumper yet. lots of bench racing in the off season to do.

[Weston]

is Weston attempting a Zanardi pass on me at 2:03? Hate to break it to you weston, but you're doing it on the wrong side...

No, that's when I was all over your bumper and couldn't see the track... The driver's seat doesn't quite have the view that the roof cam does.

[svochuck]

Sundays main race I have both cameras working ... and I finished ???? .... Stay tuned to the off season 944-spec video puke a thon. Thats right folks your so not able to go racing till march that you will suffer through hours or at least a few minutes of " buzz, buzz, buzz" just to see me put down the kids ! and earn SECOND ! and you can see .....

Stay tuned next week for is there a new Tokyo DK ?
Does Dave B have the guts to pass going into 1 ?
Who ran who off the track in 6A / B ! (@#% Dirks) ?
Where did I pass the Kids ?

[chris_venturini]

Cody just pissed himself with excitement and anticipation im sure. :rolleyes:

on another note

freakin dirks was supposed to start last place, where does he end up by turn 1? freakin first place.... gah, freakin dirks! Thats it, im freakin deleting my cat now, along with other things.

[Weston]

That's not just motor, that's the classic "Dirks start"... He's able to be on the throttle before the green flag, which is a big advantage in low HP cars with the same acceleration. Remember my restart at La Junta (http://www.rm944.com/events/2007-06-02_03%20LaJunta/Saturday%20Main%20Race%20Restart.wmv)? That's a more extreme example, but the concept is pretty much the same... I was in the back with a little bit of a gap, so I was still on it while you guys were all slowing down approaching the start. The green flag came out right as I passed the first car (who was on the brakes!), so I never had to even let up. Being that I was already going like 10-20 mph faster than everyone else at the time, I didn't need to have much of an engine to blow by everyone on the straight.

There's obviously an opportunity for people in the back to intentionally create a gap for this purpose, which I don't think we should be doing, but more often than not, they don't have to... we're just begging for this when we don't maintain a steady speed, or steady rate of acceleration, when approaching the start. The La Junta clip is a good example... If we all speed up and then slow down right before the start, the green flag is going to come out before the guys in the back would have to slow down, so they'll just pass everyone instead. I saw the cars in front of me slowing, but I had a gap to close and knew the green was coming, so I was going to accelerate as much as I could without passing anyone under yellow. The unexpected use of the brakes by the cars in front of me made that a lot closer than I was expecting, but it still worked out.

I'm told that the "Dirks start" topic will be covered in Chuck's ramblings about "race craft" this winter...

Another option would be the "Chuck start", where you start running into other cars before the green flag even comes out, however the advantages of doing this are unclear. :rolleyes:

[svochuck]

Ha ! now it even has a name "The Dirks Start"

lay back for 1/2 a mile then punch it. time it just perfect and Blu bah Yah you pass the lead cars ... like Cody passes the soap at the knuckle dragger shower party... like Tommy passes RayBob... like Kevin passes all of us (on the straights)... or like Dirks passes the silly Kids for not learning race craft.

[chris_venturini]

is race craft anything like starcraft? if so im going to do pretty good next season.

yeah, i thought that might have been the case for the start, being caught in the middle i wouldn't have been able to tell.
One thing i notice on the starts is that im almost always equal to they guy next to me for the entirety of the gear we start in (usually 2nd) but as soon as one of us shifts up one of the cars start to pull the other, are some of you shifting early, clutch work? I used to have a fast motor (at least i thought so) but i feel its not the case anymore. (weight, valves, cat, dirty filter?) I would still be interested in doing the dyno day cause its probably all in my head.

edit: or maybe ive just been up all night with no sleep working on an essay and im delusional, well, more delusional than normal.

[Weston]

is race craft anything like starcraft? if so im going to do pretty good next season.

You mean you're going to be Zerg and you're whole strategy will be to just irritate and annoy your opponents until you wear them out? :D

One thing i notice on the starts is that im almost always equal to they guy next to me for the entirety of the gear we start in (usually 2nd) but as soon as one of us shifts up one of the cars start to pull the other, are some of you shifting early, clutch work? I used to have a fast motor (at least i thought so) but i feel its not the case anymore. (weight, valves, cat, dirty filter?) I would still be interested in doing the dyno day cause its probably all in my head.

I'd be interested to know what your compression test numbers are (mine are just a hair over 160 PSI on all 4; I'm thinking an '88 motor should be 170+ ???), but I think your motor is probably fine. The problem is that you're 100+ lbs too heavy, and are still running a catalytic converter, as well as a power steering pump, while the rest of us have ditched that stuff. I've been gradually dropping weight from mine (still 75-100lbs too heavy), I have a manual steering rack, no cat, an improved cold air intake, and I had very recently opened the motor and cleaned the combusion chamber. It was clear that I was able to gain on you and the red #24 car (super heavy) on the straights, but I had a real hard time catching anyone else... there were several times where I'd be right behind someone on a straight but couldn't gain on them at all, even though I was in their draft. Corner exit speeds also play a big part in this, especially for our low HP cars, so it's more than just a horsepower contest. It'll be awesome when several of our cars have a Traqmate and we can easily who was faster where, and why they were faster.

A dyno day is a good idea. I'd be very interested to know where we all are...

[dmdirks]

The "Dirks Start"...are you kidding me? ;)

So when are we doing this dyno day thing? Chris, you know of a shop where we can do this, right?

Looking forward to that & our "Race Craft" discussions...

[chris_venturini]

dirks is going to dyno at 95 whp and well all cry. Theres no doubting that you beat us fair and square this season, that was obvious when you held us off with street tires and consistent first place wins. I meant for it to come across that, In what ways can me, my car and I improve? you just happen to be the best example to compare against and i think things like where people are at weight, hp, technique, etc are good ways of each person knowing what they have to do to be up to par. Same reason were all getting traqmate, "why is jimmy joe beating me so bad in turn 7?"

i do know of a shop, but like we discussed before they arent a "certified dyno" so its hard to get other NASA cars to join us and reduce cost... we could explore other dynos?

[Weston]

The "Dirks Start"...are you kidding me? ;)

We could call it the "Der Kommissar unfairer rennenanfang", if you'd like... :D

[supermac]

Ha ! now it even has a name "The Dirks Start"

lay back for 1/2 a mile then punch it. time it just perfect and Blu bah Yah you pass the lead cars ... like Cody passes the soap at the knuckle dragger shower party... like Tommy passes RayBob... like Kevin passes all of us (on the straights)... or like Dirks passes the silly Kids for not learning race craft.

No matter how you try and insult;) or slice it, it is still cheating, read the CCR you can't hang back and get a running jump on the guys in front. John or whoever is running the flag staion should wave you by and make you come around until EVERYONE is properly spaced and ready to go.

It is not "racecraft" it is not playing fair.

IMHO

[Weston]

when you held us off with street tires

Hey now... don't encourage Mr "I beat you guys with street tires". That was just one race, and it was a heat race anyway. Besides, if you would have just pulled over and let me pass you, I would have had more time than the last 60 seconds of the race to mess with him. ;) But yeah, Dirks is definitely the guy to beat...

[svochuck]

See even Cody says Dirks is a cheater ! Cheater cheater cheater ....

we need a different thread for race craft.

[micahbones]

Same reason were all getting traqmate, "why is jimmy joe beating me so bad in turn 7?"?

Some of us will be getting Traqmate. I gotta roll cage, race seat, helmet, suit, and other safety stuff to pay for :eek:...all "for my own protection" of course. :rolleyes:

[chris_venturini]

yeah ,some of us... i have tuition, a down payment on a house, and a honeymoon... maybe weston will share

[micahbones]

...But yeah, Dirks is definitely the guy to beat...

I know this may be opening up a can 'o "insert your preferred word here", but Dirks will get beat next year... (just trying to adopt the smack talkin' way of this 944 crew) :D

[svochuck]

I know this may be opening up a can 'o "insert your preferred word here", but Dirks will get beat next year... (just trying to adopt the smack talkin' way of this 944 crew) :D

I kept the Hastings track record... and Norm beat him in 2007.

[AvantAddict]

No matter how you try and insult;) or slice it, it is still cheating, read the CCR you can't hang back and get a running jump on the guys in front.

From the CCR:

20.5.1 Rolling Start / Flying Start
During the warm-up lap the field shall align into its proper starting rows. Drivers should
take care when weaving to warm up tires (a.k.a. “scrubbing tires”). Starts will usually be
two (2) abreast. The field should come into perfect alignment on the prescribed lap ** in
the last two (2) turns before the start / finish line.

[Snymo]

Well, as the pace car driver for most of the races, I can say that the rear of the pack very rarely gets in perfect alignment, especially at Pueblo. There have been multiple instances where the cars in the back get a jump, mainly because the green comes out before turn 10.

John did a great job in the last Pueblo event of waiting until all the cars came around 10 before showing the green and I think that helped. Still, it doesn't stop someone from laying back a car length or two and trying to time it right. A car gains 2.5 feet for every MPH every second, so it doesn't take much to move up a bunch of places with a long front straight.

Rick

[Weston]

No matter how you try and insult;) or slice it, it is still cheating, read the CCR you can't hang back and get a running jump on the guys in front. John or whoever is running the flag staion should wave you by and make you come around until EVERYONE is properly spaced and ready to go.

It is not "racecraft" it is not playing fair.

IMHO

I'll tease Dirks about it, but I wouldn't call him a cheater, and I'm not upset about it or anything. Until we get our act together a little better on the starting formation, we can't really accuse anyone of jumping the start or hanging back and getting a run on us. That's not just a 944 issue... I've seen it with other groups too. And I'm not talking about this specific case, but just in general.

Call me crazy, but I just think we should get in better formation sooner (ie not still trying to get lined up as we exit turn 10 at Pueblo) and then pick a speed, or a steady rate of acceleration, and stick with it. I think we've all been guilty of doing something silly at some point, but I keep seeing the same two problems repeated: 1) We'll fly around a turn, but then slow down on the straight before the start, thus giving everyone behind us an advantage. If we do that, we deserve to get passed, IMO. 2) Rather than maintaining the correct distance from the car in front of us, we tend to just mirror the car next to us, so when one car lags behind, the other car copies him, and everyone behind either of them are forced to do the same thing, then they're all on the gas trying to catch back up as the green flag comes out. The guys at the very front may have done everything perfectly, but they're still being put at a disadvantage because one guy in the middle of the pack lagged behind.

Also, when we have multiple groups on the track, and each one gets their own green flag, the starter can't abort the start unless it's the very first group that has a problem. You don't want 944-Spec to be driving around in formation under yellow while AI/CMC is racing on a green track and is going to come around and lap them.

[Snymo]

Weston,

Yes, Yes, and Yes. ;)

At Pueblo, I drive the pace car at 45 from the front straight to the exit of turn 7. At that point I'll slow down to about 30 and the cars should form up behind me and be in perfect formation before turn 9 so that turn 10 is continuation of the pace speed until the green flag drops.

Now, it's every driver's responsibility to maintain the pace and spacing to the car in front. As a racer, you want the best start you can get and you have to decide what will serve you better: being right on the guys bumper in front of you or being a car length or so back. But, as you know, it's never as simple as it sounds and something can happen and then exponentially expand through the field. I just get to watch it all from pit lane!! ;)

Rick

[micahbones]

Why not just do standing starts as in Speed World Challenge? Is it a clutch abuse issue, the fact that the field has cars of varied power levels (as in ALMS), or safety (e.g., no rapidly accelerating cars crashing into stalled ones)?

[Weston]

I like standing starts and wouldn't mind doing more of them, but they are a lot harder on cars, so that's why we hardly ever do them. I'm not aware of any 944-specific problems with it, except that some people are still on the original clutch (with rubber instead of springs) and probably shouldn't push their luck with it.

[leggwork]

it is up to the starter to decide if the cars have formed up adequately but Pueblo doesn't necessarily allow the whole field to be seen before the flag has to drop.
bruce

I'll tease Dirks about it, but I wouldn't call him a cheater, and I'm not upset about it or anything. Until we get our act together a little better on the starting formation, we can't really accuse anyone of jumping the start or hanging back and getting a run on us. That's not just a 944 issue... I've seen it with other groups too. And I'm not talking about this specific case, but just in general.

Call me crazy, but I just think we should get in better formation sooner (ie not still trying to get lined up as we exit turn 10 at Pueblo) and then pick a speed, or a steady rate of acceleration, and stick with it. I think we've all been guilty of doing something silly at some point, but I keep seeing the same two problems repeated: 1) We'll fly around a turn, but then slow down on the straight before the start, thus giving everyone behind us an advantage. If we do that, we deserve to get passed, IMO. 2) Rather than maintaining the correct distance from the car in front of us, we tend to just mirror the car next to us, so when one car lags behind, the other car copies him, and everyone behind either of them are forced to do the same thing, then they're all on the gas trying to catch back up as the green flag comes out. The guys at the very front may have done everything perfectly, but they're still being put at a disadvantage because one guy in the middle of the pack lagged behind.

Also, when we have multiple groups on the track, and each one gets their own green flag, the starter can't abort the start unless it's the very first group that has a problem. You don't want 944-Spec to be driving around in formation under yellow while AI/CMC is racing on a green track and is going to come around and lap them.

[svochuck]

Yes weston you deserve to get passed and either Dirks is cheating or he is a better driver... So he must be cheating somehow...

a little lag or lead goes a long ways in our cars they are getting equal and fast ! I have a great ideo of the turn 10 slaughter I will dig it up...

[dmdirks]

Chris, Weston & Chuck- you guys are awesome.

Dave, Micah and Rick- looking forward to backing up about ten car lengths and shooting past your sorry asses like a slingshot.

:D

[AvantAddict]

Dave, Micah and Rick- looking forward to backing up about ten car lengths and shooting past your sorry asses like a slingshot.

If you are behind me, don't plan on me letting you hang that far back to get a run on the group. :p

[cullenwinter]

Dave, Micah and Rick- looking forward to backing up about ten car lengths and shooting past your sorry asses like a slingshot.

:D

Thank you Mr. Dirks, for acknowledging that I won't be getting passed by you on starts, or at any other point of next years racing. You'll get used to looking at my tail lights........ and getting lapped :D


Did you leave me out of the smack talk because you don't think I'll have a running car ? :o Or did the N.M. state police tell you about my blocking technique ? :eek:

Man, I can't wait to get out there with you guys.

[dmdirks]

Did you leave me out of the smack talk because you don't think I'll have a running car ? :o Or did the N.M. state police tell you about my blocking technique ? :eek:

Man, I can't wait to get out there with you guys.

Don't worry, Cullen. You'll get yours!! :D

Man, I have fun jerking people's chains...

[Weston]

We need to all get together for a go kart race or something... I keep finding myself wanting to use the dirt to pass slower cars on my commute to work.

[chris_venturini]

ba party weston, get on it

[Weston]

ba party weston, get on it

ba party? What's "ba"?

[chris_venturini]

well its certainly not a bs party

[Weston]

well its certainly not a bs party

:confused: I think you're drunk...

[chris_venturini]

drunk from boredom at work maybe.... ba = bachelors noob

[Weston]

drunk from boredom at work maybe.... ba = bachelors noob

oh, I se wh yo me no. I di kn we we on us th fi tw le of ea wo no.

Translation: "oh, I see what you mean now. I didn't know we were only using the first two letters of each word now."

:D


So, what is the deal with your bachelor's party? Don't we still have 6-7 months to go? Who is supposed to be in charge of it anyway?

[MHISSTC]

Who is supposed to be in charge of it anyway?

Traditionally, it's the best man's job.

[Weston]

Saturday's Main Race: http://www.rm944.com/events/2007-11-10_11%20Pueblo/Sat%20Main.wmv

[DGrande]

Outstanding Weston! That session was the most fun I'd had all year. Would you bring a DVD copy on the 8th?

[Weston]

Outstanding Weston! That session was the most fun I'd had all year. Would you bring a DVD copy on the 8th?

Thanks! Will do!

[chris_venturini]

good work.

wish i could have made that race even more now.

[svochuck]

That was soooo cool ? When weston spun off track i was real loose Doug went right on by. then i see weston spin off ??? was the track dirty or were we just going too fast into the turn ?

Then watching weston run us down ! POP ! BAM ! SMACK !

great job weston ! i can't wait till we have my data over lapped Sunday race video !

[chris_venturini]

i bout peed my pants when weston spun!
i was yelling "Spin cycle!" and my sister thought it was funny too!

[Weston]

Sunday's Heat Race (featuring Dave Balingit's big spin :D ): http://www.rm944.com/events/2007-11-10_11%20Pueblo/Sun%20Heat.wmv

[bpanther]

Not bad for never having driven a 944 before. I'm surprised I made it to turn 3 before doing that. "The car is a bit tight" - yeah thanks for the advice!!!:D

[svochuck]

Not bad for never having driven a 944 before. I'm surprised I made it to turn 3 before doing that. "The car is a bit tight" - yeah thanks for the advice!!!:D

You mean loose right ... Kevin was claiming loose !

[DGrande]

This was another really fun race. You could tell whoever got the lead would drop back to play with the pack. I especially liked when Chris pushed the black mustang off the track between 3&4!

[chris_venturini]

i was taught by the best to not give up my line (chuckster). Now he knows better ;)

[Weston]

lol... just wait until you see the Sunday Main Race video. That will hopefully be up tonight. I just need to resolve one small issue...

[Weston]

Here is Sunday's Main Race... http://www.rm944.com/events/2007-11-10_11%20Pueblo/Sun%20Main.wmv

[svochuck]

Thanks a bunch for the editing Weston ! That was awesome to watch ! It's no wonder were going to have 20 cars ! doing that next year ! Now we just need to get cameras working in the other cars . What a show . Thanks Revkah and Dave NASA IS GREAT !

BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ !

[svochuck]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/magicman5954/PMP/PMPspec944234.jpg

This Video is brought to you by Doug , David, Dave, Chuck, Weston and Chris !

:D

[chris_venturini]

good work weston, i know alot of work goes into that editing.

[dmdirks]

Yes, thanks Weston! That was fun to watch.

Chris- good job holding Chuck back at about the last six minutes or so during the race. You could tell he wasn't letting up trying to get by you!

[RichV]

Very nice guys!!

[svochuck]

Yes, thanks Weston! That was fun to watch.

Chris- good job holding Chuck back at about the last six minutes or so during the race. You could tell he wasn't letting up trying to get by you!

untill he blew turn 10 he was holding me off... i would not say blocking but it does come to mind that he was taught well. young chris

[svochuck]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/svochuck/trackclowns.jpg

Chris is this why you were late to start the race on Saturday ?

[Weston]

Hahahahaha. Now that's some photoshop skills!

[chris_venturini]

hahah

The only clowns i see are huddled around chucks car!

[dmdirks]

hahah

The only clowns i see are huddled around chucks car!

Haaaa!!!! This is great!!