Important Announcement at 7pm tonight!

[bpanther]

Important Announcement at 7pm tonight!

Check back at 7pm (mst).

[RagingAardvark]

you tease!!! Guess Beth'll have to check from the blackberry while I'm driving.

[BADVENM]

I think its an announcement that we'll be racing on the prairies of where the Genoa track will be. The lap record is held by MHISSTC's Suburban.

[ianacole]

I'll bring the Tacoma out :D

[bpanther]

http://www.nasarockymountain.com/

Make sure to refresh

[95sprtcpedrvr]

ALL RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!
I'm gonna drive there dude!!!!
Labor day weeekend, I'll be there!!!

[BADVENM]

I have great memories of PPIR, I first learned to drive my new (at the time) '03 Mustang Cobra and '01 Viper GTS at that track. I also got to clean up Ferrari parts off the track when at least one crash occured during that weekend coming off of the first turn.

I was also there for the last event ever (I think).

Now I gotta see if I can be there Labor Day weekend, race car or not.

[ianacole]

Wooooooohooooooooo!!!!!

[Dillon]

I'm confused...I'm not a CO native, only been here a couple years, but all I've heard is that PPIR closed down several years ago. Their website is basically nothing too. Is it reopening or...?

[bpanther]

it's reopening and we get first crack at it! :D

[ianacole]

I can't express how awesome this is!! I had been seeing some scuttlebutt on another forum about clubs maybe gaining access again - now I can quit getting pissed everytime I drive by :D

[95sprtcpedrvr]

I'm confused...I'm not a CO native, only been here a couple years, but all I've heard is that PPIR closed down several years ago. Their website is basically nothing too. Is it reopening or...?

Yes, it was closed at the end of '05 then sold, and changed hands for a second time. The new owner has been fighting contract agreements so that he can open it to the public for events.
Do you have more info on this Dave B.???

[bpanther]

all truth, no rumors

David met with the powers that be today and its real

the (scuttle)but stops here!

RB

[cullenwinter]

Wooo-freakin'- Hoooooo !! Way to go NASA RM :)

[Del Armstrong]

it's reopening and we get first crack at it! :D

Once again you guys show why NASA RM truly rocks!

A few quick questions:

- I trust you'll have an appropriately boastful commemorative T-shirt? :cool:

- Do you have pointers to good hotels yet?

- And finally, what obscure but heavily attended festival are we competing with this time? :D

[bpanther]

Woo hoo!!!!

We are planning a cool t-shirt

We will get hotel info ASAP but southern CO (World Arena) will be our best bet.

The Reinnasance fair is over so hopefully we are good to go!!!!!

RB

[leggwork]

awesome! who bought the track?
bruce

[docwyte]

We should all stay at the Broadmoor.

What's the schedule? Sat/Sun? Fri/Sat/Sun? Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon?? :D

[RichV]

Alll riiighttt. :D

Great news. I won't have to be jonesin' for the rest of the year after Hastings.

[Snymo]

I was also there for the last event ever (I think).

I believe that last event was an Audi Club event on 9/25/2005 which I taught at....could be wrong though. PPIR is a fun roval and should be interesting for everyone with all kinds of cars. :D

Rick

[bbell]

Are we running the oal or the inside track?

Bruce

[leggwork]

both

http://tinyurl.com/6f43ew

[GaryM05]

Great job, NASA!!!

Now Joanne won't be able to give me a hard time anymore that there's a track that she's driven on that I haven't!!! :D

[jgray]

Perfect line you drew there Bruce! The real trick will be driving it! :)

[leggwork]

drew that a few years ago. The only other tip is that momentum cars shouldn't bother climbing the front straight to the wall, although coming down off the oval is a whole lot-o-fun.
bruce


Perfect line you drew there Bruce! The real trick will be driving it! :)

[RagingAardvark]

holy cow, how cool and freaky!!! We (Beth, me, Raybob, and Nicole) were all talking about PPIR last night!

Yikes, this means I need to get the chicken fixed up, get through Judy's school and get rolling...so much for my relaxed build ;)

Dave, this is AWESOME!!!!!! :D

[Dave 90TT]

That is awesome, Dave, good job! I imagine you can get some pretty high (read: scary) speeds with those banked turns in the oval.

Now I really have to move back to CO, with all the courses coming on line in the next couple of years.

Good luck out there and have fun!

[bpanther]

That is awesome, Dave, good job!

Honestly folks, I didn't do much for this except dig a little and contacted the new owners. Everyone else is doing it as well, it's just that NASA can move very fast when a situation presents itself.

The new owners weren't quite ready to announce what was happening with the track, but SCCA solo II got an inside scoop through a un-intentional meeting and the PPIR folks were pretty much forced to spill the beans.

NASA has been associated with one of the new owners for the past 8 years with a past project and we hope to work well together in the future as well.

[coloradogtcs]

Honestly folks, I didn't do much for this except dig a little and contacted the new owners. Everyone else is doing it as well, it's just that NASA can move very fast when a situation presents itself.

The new owners weren't quite ready to announce what was happening with the track, but SCCA solo II got an inside scoop through a un-intentional meeting and the PPIR folks were pretty much forced to spill the beans.

NASA has been associated with one of the new owners for the past 8 years with a past project and we hope to work well together in the future as well.

Well, however it happened, thank you and woo hoo!! March seemed sooooo far away :-)

[dkmura]

http://www.rmsolo.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4846

[Snymo]

For those that have never been to PPIR, here's a lap in my old ITS 944 from 2003.

ITS 944 at PPIR (http://www.whapp.com/sm/ppir_944_may2003.mpg) (right click and save as)

Rick

[JuSTin05Impreza]

now if only you could get 2nd Creek re-opened.

[ker]

For those that have never been to PPIR, here's a lap in my old ITS 944 from 2003.

ITS 944 at PPIR (http://www.whapp.com/sm/ppir_944_may2003.mpg) (right click and save as)

Rick

that was a parade lap, right??? :D

[Brad]

For those that have never been to PPIR, here's a lap in my old ITS 944 from 2003.

ITS 944 at PPIR (http://www.whapp.com/sm/ppir_944_may2003.mpg) (right click and save as)

Rick

Thanks Rick, gives me an idea of what I'm in for. I never drove PPIR before it closed.

It sounded like you were WOT coming down the banking entering into the wide turn ... is that transition between the banking and the flat surface tricky? Or just stay in it to keep the rear planted?

-Brad

[Snymo]

It sounded like you were WOT coming down the banking entering into the wide turn ... is that transition between the banking and the flat surface tricky? Or just stay in it to keep the rear planted?

-Brad

Brad, good question. First, remember I was driving a fully prepared race car, so what you see in the video will probably not be something that all cars can do. With that said, there is a big difference between low HP momentum cars and high HP cars at PPIR.

The low HP cars spend the entire front straight working their way up the track (drivers left to right). Coming out of T7 onto the front straight, low HP cars will keep it tucked in and start out on the flat portion of the track while the high HP cars can literlly drive up the banking out of T7. For T1, the low HP cars will pretty much aim straight at the "Dodge" sign in T1 and just as you think "wow, that wall is really close" you can dive into T1. High HP cars get such a huge run that they will have to brake and sometimes pretty hard, while the low HP cars can either brake lightly, lift to settle the car or just dive in flat out. It's hard to see in the video but the transition from banking to flat is pretty rough and can unsettle the car, so you have to watch it.

In the video, the 944 entered T1 flat out in 4th gear at 100-110 mph. In my old SVT Focus, I could do it flat in 3rd gear at about 95 mph. Take a Mustang, STI/Evo or anything with say 250+HP and you WILL have to brake for T1 cause you will be 120+ before turn in. Ask Kevin (Ker) how fast his Cobra is going before T1!!! :eek:

Once in T1, aim for a very late apex just past where the white line starts on the inside of the track surface and just prior to the grass. There is just enough time to let the car come back up to about 2/3rds track on the back straight before you turn back into the infield for the tight twisties.

Hope that helps and let me know if you have any other questions. I'll see if I have any video from the SRT4s (T2 or ITE/World Challenge) from PPIR....I think I do, just need to find it and post it.

Rick

[MHISSTC]

VERY COOL! This is where I got started in open tracking.

I imagine you can get some pretty high (read: scary) speeds with those banked turns in the oval.

I'm sure we'll be driving the line that Bruce shows, which does not include the banked corners. The straights are banked though. :) One consideration with the long high G sustained left hand turn that is T1 is that some of you could potentially see some oil starvation issues. Ask me, or Rick, or Kevin, how I know this. An oil temperature gauge and a real oil pressure gauge that wasn't essentially an analog idiot light in my Cobra could have spared me thousands of dollars, a year of time away from the track, and the embarrassment of driving a rental Focus on the track.

[Snymo]

....and the embarrassment of driving a rental Focus on the track.

Yeah, but think about all the other rental vehicles you've driven on track since then. :D

[ker]

VERY COOL! This is where I got started in open tracking.



I'm sure we'll be driving the line that Bruce shows, which does not include the banked corners. The straights are banked though. :) One consideration with the long high G sustained left hand turn that is T1 is that some of you could potentially see some oil starvation issues. Ask me, or Rick, or Kevin, how I know this. An oil temperature gauge and a real oil pressure gauge that wasn't essentially an analog idiot light in my Cobra could have spared me thousands of dollars, a year of time away from the track, and the embarrassment of driving a rental Focus on the track.

ah, the old days ;)

[MHISSTC]

ah, the old days ;)

Yup...back when Rick had some hair. :D

...and I had two less kids and numerous less gray hair.

[MHISSTC]

Does Labor Day Weekend mean Fri/Sat/Sun or Sat/Sun/Mon?

That Friday is going to be tough to make since the kids are in school. Monday, on the other hand would be PERFECT since the kids are out of school and I have a 4 day weekend starting on Thursday after working a set of overnight shifts. I could really use that time to catch up on sleep before a track weekend. This last one in Pueblo following the same shift really did me in.

[Snymo]

Yup...back when Rick had some hair. :D

:eek: Ouch, but probably true! ;)

[leggwork]

here is another race car (z3) video
http://www.bimmerhaus.com/video/ppir03/ppir.html

[95sprtcpedrvr]

One consideration with the long high G sustained left hand turn that is T1 is that some of you could potentially see some oil starvation issues.

Hmmm,I guess I better get into putting in baffles in my pan then. Good thing I have a spare!

[Dave 90TT]

I'm sure we'll be driving the line that Bruce shows, which does not include the banked corners. The straights are banked though. :) .

The bottom, kind of right long turn is not banked? Maybe I need glasses.

[SilverC6Vette]

For us "non-racers" in HPDE, will there be HPDE offered? Please!:D

[ker]

For us "non-racers" in HPDE, will there be HPDE offered? Please!:D

most certainly there will be. it will be a full nasa event.

[MHISSTC]

The bottom, kind of right long turn is not banked? Maybe I need glasses.

If you check out the Z3 video, the banked portion is the front straight. The turn in for T1 occurrs on the banked portion. You dive down onto the flat long left handed turn which is essentially a very long and wide pit out lane that leads back up onto the banked back straight.

There are many, many features to expolore and discuss.

[Dave 90TT]

You're right, I watched the video.

[Snymo]

More video. This is from the ITE (Pre-World Challenge) SRT4 from 2004. Car was running the Mopar Stage2 Turbo setup and wasn't running very well, but you'll get the idea. Oh, and see if you can count all my mistakes! ;)

PPIR ITE SRT4 video (http://www.whapp.com/sm/SnymoITESRT4Highlights.wmv) (VERY LARGE, 55MB, please right click and save as)

[jgray]

Geez Rick! Those Corvettes really had it out for you in T3! Reminds me of Group 4/TT in Miller (without the contact) :)

Joel

[Snymo]

Geez Rick! Those Corvettes really had it out for you in T3! Reminds me of Group 4/TT in Miller (without the contact) :)

Joel

Yeah, Corvette owners don't like Neons with big wings (ie, SRT4s) that pass them on the outside of T1. :eek:

[docwyte]

Any update on what day(s) we're running?

[bpanther]

Sat/Sun/Mon and some variation depending on group.

[BADVENM]

http://www.9news.com/sports/article.aspx?storyid=96483&catid=345

[95sprtcpedrvr]

OH MY!!! 3 days of driving at PPIR??? If my car holds up I might have to get a check ride on Monday. :eek:

[JuSTin05Impreza]

What are the passing rules for HPDE 1-4 on PPIR?

[Snymo]

Group 1-2 will probably be front and back straight only. Not sure about Groups 3 and 4. Laps are so short though that even with passing on the front straight only, you aren't stuck behind someone for long! ;)

Rick