Will NASA Let Me Put A 4.6 in old Stang For CMC

[Mikecolosprings]

I have a 1988 Mustang 2.3 And want to maybe run CMC.
See The Problem Is That I hate Pushrod Motors.
I was Hoping They would Allow People to run The Newer Mustang Motor, Specifically The 4.6 SOCH
I don't see why Not We use The Dyno Certification
If they Would Allow This I would Definetly Run This Class,I already Have the car so I would Be Ready for Next Season



Hopefully Someone Can Answer this for me(Someone Who Knows For Sure)

[Evil86Saleen]

Why would you want to?

The 4.6 sohc is not as durable as the 5.0 and twice as hard to work on.

Anyway. Check out the CMC board. They have a link to all of rules and that should answer your question.

kyle

[Mikecolosprings]

Thanks I hust Found Out.
I Can Update/Backdate it.
I want to do that Because I hate Pushrod Motors..

[Evil86Saleen]

You could do it but it wouldnt be legal. The rules state that no K member modifications can be made. The modular engine will not fit the 79-93 fox K member and a aftermarket tubular K member must be used which would make the car ilegal for CMC.

You could do this and run AI though.

Now I must ask as to why you hate push rod motors?
You are aware of the fact that most of the top AI terams have ditched the modulars for the almighty push rod because of durability reasons.

kyle

[Mikecolosprings]

Well You Have A Valid Argument But I was Looking On NASA's National Site and Saw The Same Kind Of Question, But They asked if they could put a 5.0 in a newer stang And Got A yes Answer.
I think You could Build some custom Motor mounts.
And I don't like Old Pushrod Motors Just Because There Old(The've Been Around Since Like the 40's or 50's,Not Sure) and I like The New More Efficient(Just Look at every Japanese Motor since like 1970 thats Why Honda Makes 200 WHP on a 2.0L Motor)OHC Type, They Just Need More Aftermarket Support.

[Mikecolosprings]

Forgot to Tell You, I'm Not Gonna Fix up The Stang(I'll Run it in HPDE once or twice this season,I will at least Run it at Pueblo but I will Help At LaJuanta.
I will Be Selling It for very Cheap In like 3-6 Months(It Has A stripped Inteior and trunk)


I'm going to Build My Eclipse AWD Turbo Can't wait Youll see Me It'll Be Black With #255
Lexan Windows,Side exit exaust To Start

[raybob9289]

Forgot to Tell You, I'm Not Gonna Fix up The Stang(I'll Run it in HPDE once or twice this season,I will at least Run it at Pueblo but I will Help At LaJuanta.
I will Be Selling It for very Cheap In like 3-6 Months(It Has A stripped Inteior and trunk)


I'm going to Build My Eclipse AWD Turbo Can't wait Youll see Me It'll Be Black With #255
Lexan Windows,Side exit exaust To Start

Hey Dude, I bet my pushrod motor will outrun your honda.:D

[Evil86Saleen]

Well You Have A Valid Argument But I was Looking On NASA's National Site and Saw The Same Kind Of Question, But They asked if they could put a 5.0 in a newer stang And Got A yes Answer.
I think You could Build some custom Motor mounts.
And I don't like Old Pushrod Motors Just Because There Old(The've Been Around Since Like the 40's or 50's,Not Sure) and I like The New More Efficient(Just Look at every Japanese Motor since like 1970 thats Why Honda Makes 200 WHP on a 2.0L Motor)OHC Type, They Just Need More Aftermarket Support.

Nope the 4.6 will not fit WITHOUT either a highly modded fox Kmember or aftermarket K member.
The problem is not the motor mounts but with the acutally physical size of the modular. They will not clear any part of the K member so essentially you couldnt even set it in the engine bay.
You can however change from a 4.6 to a 5.0 easilly in the SN95 cars. Reason is that 94/95 cars came with the 5.0 and you could just change the 96+ cross member from the 94/95 and be perfectly legal.

Now OHV is not that much more efficient than OHC. Its a myth and thats that. Chevy has been making 1hp per litre for years with push rods.

And HP per Litre is not what wins races. Torque production accelerates cars out of cornes not 200hp at 8K rpm. The advantage of smaller displacement engines is that they are in lighter car's.

I know that you are younger and less experinced but I have some advice.

Turn off MTV, toss that Super street magazine in the trash and start hanging out with racers. You will learn everything you need to know by talking with older guys that have been doing this stuff for years and learn nothing from magazines full of hondas with body kits.

kyle

[Warrtalon]

Turn off MTV, toss that Super street magazine in the trash and start hanging out with racers. You will learn everything you need to know by talking with older guys that have been doing this stuff for years and learn nothing from magazines full of hondas with body kits.

Agree with this part, even though RayBob also considers me a ricer. :D

[Mikecolosprings]

First Of all I don't read Super Street
Second I don't Have a Honda,And It depends on what pushrod motor you have to out run the new civic, (. E. The Corvette would destroy it Obviously)
Third I was Kinda Hard On The Pushrod Motors I don't Hate them, See the only Pushrod Mags and Info I have is on the 5.0l 225hp Ford Emissions Motor, I forgot about Chevy Making 550hp with the 5.7
(I think)
Fourth I think Some Of you guys are a little Hard On the Jap Motors(Your Probably The ones Who Don't want toyota to join NASCAR)
Fifth Look I hate The Neon Lights And Ricer Wings But Theres Nothing Wrong With Wanting Your Car To Look good and Go Fast. I think If You Ever Got a Ride In a 1000hp AWD Skyline You Would Probably Change Your Opinions a little.
Lastly I wasnt sayint that Hondas Are Great I was Just Showing That Those Motors ARE Very Efecient.


:cool: Hey RayBob What Motor Do you Have?:cool:
Yeah It will Probably OutRun a honda But It Won't Out run An Evo MR Unless you have a corvette(I'm Talking Stock Everything)

[Warrtalon]

Mike, please stop typing in ALL CAPS if that's what you're doing. I assume so, since the first letter of every word is capitalized - it's pretty annoying.

RayBob has an AI Camaro that is deafening. In its stock form, it would not outrun an Evo MR, but it also cost a lot less brand new.

[Mikecolosprings]

Sorry About the Caps, My keyboard is broken

[raybob9289]

RayBob has an AI Camaro that is deafening. In its stock form, it would not outrun an Evo MR, but it also cost a lot less brand new.

Warrtalon,
Is Deafening good or bad? and what the F*ck is an evo MR? If I go out and get a fast & furious magazine will it tell me?
I think we need to put things in perspective, your either a fan of Knuckle draggin, beer swillin, raw uncomplicated, time tested, American Horsepower or you like those motorbike powered zipperhead machines.

BTW Racin is Racin wheather its in soapbox derby cars, Camaros or Hondas.

[ker]

Warrtalon,
Is Deafening good or bad? and what the F*ck is an evo MR? If I go out and get a fast & furious magazine will it tell me?
I think we need to put things in perspective, your either a fan of Knuckle draggin, beer swillin, raw uncomplicated, time tested, American Horsepower or you like those motorbike powered zipperhead machines.

BTW Racin is Racin wheather its in soapbox derby cars, Camaros or Hondas.

now that is funny..:)

[Warrtalon]

Deafening is good when there's power to back it up, which is the case for your AI Camaro.

The Evo MR is what you see in my avatar.

Yes, you can probably find it mentioned in any car magazine that doesn't cater only to domestics.

You can also find it beating a Lamborghini (http://youtube.com/watch?v=s1ZWJjC648I) around a road course stock for stock, although that's the UK version.

[Evil86Saleen]

I wouldnt say that I am hard on the Japanese motors. They make great power for there displacement.
Toss a turbo on one and it will make good torque #s.

Nascar. :mad: Blah. dont care.

kyle

[Evil86Saleen]

First Of all I don't read Super Street
Second I don't Have a Honda,And It depends on what pushrod motor you have to out run the new civic, (. E. The Corvette would destroy it Obviously)
Third I was Kinda Hard On The Pushrod Motors I don't Hate them, See the only Pushrod Mags and Info I have is on the 5.0l 225hp Ford Emissions Motor, I forgot about Chevy Making 550hp with the 5.7
(I think)
Fourth I think Some Of you guys are a little Hard On the Jap Motors(Your Probably The ones Who Don't want toyota to join NASCAR)
Fifth Look I hate The Neon Lights And Ricer Wings But Theres Nothing Wrong With Wanting Your Car To Look good and Go Fast. I think If You Ever Got a Ride In a 1000hp AWD Skyline You Would Probably Change Your Opinions a little.
Lastly I wasnt sayint that Hondas Are Great I was Just Showing That Those Motors ARE Very Efecient.


:cool: Hey RayBob What Motor Do you Have?:cool:
Yeah It will Probably OutRun a honda But It Won't Out run An Evo MR Unless you have a corvette(I'm Talking Stock Everything)

No problem I'm not hatin. ;)

You are asking very good questions and comparing different engine sizes etc. Thats a good thing.

The best part of tyhis hobby is that you have so many choices (makes/models etc) to choose from.

There is nothing wrong with researching info and asking questions.

You really cant compare a 20+ year old 5.0l mustang to todays top dog 4 cyls.

Yes the 87-93 only had 225 HP out of 302 cubes. They also made 300lbs of TQ out of those 302 cubes.

The top dog Honda motor in 87 (2.0) made a whopping 100hp.

Technology has come a long way for both the Japanese and the domestics.

Keep asking questions and soaking up as much info as you can.

kyle

[Mikecolosprings]

No problem I'm not hatin. ;)

You really cant compare a 20+ year old 5.0l mustang to todays top dog 4 cyls.

kyle

Yeah you would think That you Can't Compare, But when you get these Old Guys that still think thier old small block's can beat them you have to compare, both the Fast and Furious Cars vs Pony Cars

I personally Like Anything With a motor

[NASACastang]

Mike,

Just keep in mind that there are a million ways to skin a cat! There are just as many ways to make horsepower. I personally love American Muscle, the sound, the torque and the styling. I am not a fan of the imports, not because of anything other than I don't care much for the stying of Toyota, Honda, etc. I am impressed with some of the Bling Bling Detail on these cars, but I still feel that most are posers and can't back anything up. Yes, I know there are fast imports out there, but it sure seems there are a lot more of the coffee can exhaust and body kit guys out there that think they've add 200 HP with the exhaust and the styling kit or the neon lights.
With todays electronics, turbos, superchargers etc you can make some unbelievable power with almost any engine. Just remember that horsepower cost $$$$ and it is usually easier to make horspower with cubic inches rather than cubic money! That's why guys like RayBob like their Camaros and guys like me like our Mustangs. We can make lots of power with simple designs and less money. They are reliable and they are easy to work on. Don't misunderstand, I love turbos and superchargers. Hell, I love my Powerstroke Ford with my chip and exhaust upgrade. I have even ponder putting an SHO 3.0 V6 into a Mustang with twin turbos for AIX just for fun. But when I look at all the engineering, fabrication, and the sheer extra expense. I think maybe a good ole stroked 302 or 351 will do just fine. Not the same COOL Factor, but reliable, powerful, and gets me out on the track sooner!

[Mikecolosprings]

First I hate all those retards who put neon lights just like you.
And There are a lot of coffe can exaust retards, but Have you Heard of the Toyota Supra?(All you have to do to that motor is a bigger turbo and you can make 1000HP on stock everything)
Your right there alot of posers thatCAN"T back up there shit.
[quote]But when I look at all the engineering, fabrication, and the sheer extra expense. I think maybe a good ole stroked 302 or 351 will do just fine. Not the same COOL Factor, but reliable, powerful, and gets me out on the track sooner![quote]Yesterday 09:23 PM

Yeah it's cheaper but don't you get tired of the same old thing?

Thats why I have such a big problem Fixing my 88 stang up, It's so damn ugly, and it has been done a million times.

And I think The Musle Car Guys Should stop disrespecting the Tuner Crowd, We don't make fun of your ugly a$$ rim choices.(I'm not talking to anybody on here, just in general)
CAN'T WE ALL JUST BE FRIENDS? LOL

[NASACastang]

We can be friends, but keep in mind that when you make statements such as "I hate pushrod motors" You are not making friends you are pissing people off! Can you make 1000hp with a "stock" Supra with a turbo upgrade? Hell I don't know and honestly don't care. I honestly thought the Supra in the late 80's was a decent looking care and had good power and handling. One of my colllege buddies had one. The new Supra to me looks like S&*t. But again that is how you feel about my Mustang. So once again "To each is Own". Like what you like and build what you want. Just remember that not everyone will agree with you or like your car. Ok who cares. I am just confused on what your true intentions are because you seem to be all over the map on your vehicle desires. First a Mustang, then a DSM, and then a 4.6 in your stang, and then questions about the difference in weight of 302 and 460. Are these different projects or the same or what. I am definitely one to explore all my options, but I am totaly lost on where you want to go or what you want to build.
Has the Mustang been over done? Maybe, but then again it is probably because the aftermarket support is pretty damn good and the cars can be built at a reasonable price. Hell I am a huge Trans Am lover and would love to put a 98 up IROC style (IROC racing not the IROC Camaro) Trans AM on the grid to run, but honestly the cars are hard to come by at a price I am willing to pay and I would have to do a ton of extra fabrication for parts that just are not available. It would be COOL and it would be different, but I probably would not make it to the track until 2008 unless I win the Lottery or have much better luck than I do right now.
So there's my 2 cents for what its worth.

[Mikecolosprings]

Ok first I'm sorry if I pissed off anybody by saying "Ihate Pushrod Motors" but if you keep reading, a couple of threads later I admited I was a little harsh.

Second, Right now I have A 88 Mustang lx coupe and asked a couple of questions about them, then I was thinking about the DSM, Next I asked about the 4.6 in my stang because I was maybe going to run in CMC, Then I found out that I couldn't fit a 4.6 in the engine bay without changing the K-member wich would of made it illegal for CMC, So then I asked for the Weights of the Small and Big Blocks, And then here we are.

[Bottoz]

... Have you Heard of the Toyota Supra?(All you have to do to that motor is a bigger turbo and you can make 1000HP on stock everything)...

Lets not spread false information. Any 1k HP Supra needs upgrded fuel (injectors, pumps, pressure regulators, lines), Stand alone Engine management, Cams, Head work, Twin Turbo to Single Turbo exhaust manifold, larger intercooler, clutch,...I mean hell, the list goes ON AND ON. It's not just as simple as putting on a larger turbo. There's nothing stock about a modded car.

Anyways, you got to pay to play.

[Mikecolosprings]

I should of worded it better, I meant stock "everything" internals. You'll always need more fuel and other stuff

[Mikecolosprings]

I think we need to put things in perspective, your either a fan of Knuckle draggin, beer swillin, raw uncomplicated, time tested, American Horsepower or you like those motorbike powered zipperhead machines.

BTW Racin is Racin wheather its in soapbox derby cars, Camaros or Hondas.
Not Always, I like Jap Cars and the newer fords and Cadilacs with the DOHC v8 motors
What does zipperhead machiine mean?

[Mikecolosprings]

I know this thread is old but I didn't want to start a new one for this Question.

Would I be able to put the 4.6 in a Stock K-member car(With some modification, of course)?
I know companies sell K members that have mounts for the 4.6 but I'm not rich.