Time Trials Point Events

[hammerevo]

Dave, Revkah, Zung, whoever knows,

What events on our schedule count towards our Rocky Mountain points for TT? Specifically Hastings and Hallett, which of those count?

Thanks Guys!

[zvtran]

Dave, Revkah, Zung, whoever knows,

What events on our schedule count towards our Rocky Mountain points for TT? Specifically Hastings and Hallett, which of those count?

Thanks Guys!

Hallett - yes. Hastings - maybe ... I would like to see how many of us from the Rocky Mountain Region sign up before I decide.

[docwyte]

I'd like Hastings to count. Why should it matter how many people go?

[js5280]

+1 for Hastings and Hallet to count or any one of the two to count.

[docwyte]

Another suggestion would be to take all of the events, including Hastings and Hallett counting for points and let us pick which 6 events count for points.

That way if we happen to miss an event due to a scheduling conflict, we're not down 100 points to our competitor.

[bpanther]

Another suggestion would be to take all of the events, including Hastings and Hallett counting for points and let us pick which 6 events count for points.

That way if we happen to miss an event due to a scheduling conflict, we're not down 100 points to our competitor.

Yep. It's called drops and it is spelled out in the TT rules under 7.3 Regional Championships. :cool:

[docwyte]

Here's the clause, so let's make Hastings a crossover event that counts towards points, along with Hallett.

Rule 7.3
NASA TT competitors will be allowed to drop their two lowest event scores to arrive at their
total score for year-end awards. The total amount of events scored for year-end award purposes
will be the total amount of point’s events held in the region plus designated crossover events
minus two. The Regional TT Director must declare which events, if any, will not accrue points.
Also, a Regional TT Director may choose to increase or decrease the number of dropped scores,
especially if there are multiple crossover events. This information will be provided prior to any
crossover events. Please consult your Regional TT Director for more information on which
events in your region will qualify for NASA TT points. A driver must participate in a minimum
of four (4) points event days (per class) to be eligible for championship series trophies, awards,
or prizes at the end of the year (unless your Regional TT Director has announced otherwise).

[hammerevo]

Isn't each day considered an event? If Hastings and Hallett count, there would be 16 events, which leaves 14 that count towards points?

[docwyte]

The plot thickens!

[zvtran]

The plot thickens!

OK, I'm convinced ... Hastings will count.

[JScheier]

OK, I'm convinced ... Hastings will count.

Not to be a party-pooper, but some of us plan our schedule around 'points' events. Changing these events mid-season is not something that has worked well with 'other' clubs and is usually not well received.

:rolleyes:

[docwyte]

That's great Zung!

John, as per the CCR you can drop 2 events, so adding this one shouldn't be an issue. There are plenty of events to choose from to get your best point total.

[UnsafeAtAnySpd]

Each day is an event though, so it's really like being able to drop one event weekend.

[JScheier]

Josh- the schedule was set before the season started and any "drops" were already scheduled in at that time. Adding an out-of-state points event after the fact is not cool.

That's my $0.05.

[docwyte]

I think it's nice to have variety and adding this event isn't a big deal. You can still pick and chose the events you want to go to and drop one.

[JScheier]

I think it's nice to have variety and adding this event isn't a big deal. You can still pick and chose the events you want to go to and drop one.

Sure. Maybe we can start handing out participation ribbons as well?

[docwyte]

I'll make sure you get one. :D

I still fail to see why you're so upset about this. Maybe it's because I rarely can attend every event during the season due to other commitments, so missing one here and there isn't a big deal to me.

If you don't want to come out to Hastings, then you can use your "drop" for it. In my case it doesn't matter, I missed Pueblo a few weeks ago, but Jim is missing Hastings, so the points will equal out.

[JScheier]

I still fail to see why you're so upset about this. ....
If you don't want to come out to Hastings, then you can use your "drop" for it. In my case it doesn't matter, I missed Pueblo a few weeks ago, but Jim is missing Hastings, so the points will equal out.


Let me put it simply:

1. Schedule was set with Hastings as a non-points event. Many of us set our schedules on this to ensure that we have hit all of the points events (including Hallett).

2. Three months into the season, someone decides to go to Hastings and petition strongly to make it a points event one week prior to the event taking place.

3. This now has to become an event I have to drop because someone else changed the schedule.

4. Now I (and others) am in jeopardy of not making the minimum amount of events because I followed the schedule and planned accordingly, but someone else is petitioning later on to change that schedule to fit THEIR needs.

Why would I be upset?

PS - I (and several others) didn't schedule to go to Hastings because it wasn't a points event. To state that you can now even up the points in your class by 'Changing' it to a points event is very unsportsmanlike. Also, if you feel I should use my drop for this... then why bother making it a points event? Obviously it doesn't matter to you, right?

Sorry that you don't see it as changing the rules to fit your needs... but that is exactly what it is.

[docwyte]

Sorry you feel that way. I'm going whether it's a points event or not. The fact that it is, is just icing on the cake for me. That it replaced Pueblo as a points event for me is simply good fortune.

I didn't "petition", I simply asked if it could be included. No cases of scotch or back room deals occurred. I asked, as did a few others, if Hastings could be a points event, that's it.

[hammerevo]

I did not mean to spark a debate and a change in what events were point events by my question. I was curious because I was unsure as to what events counted. I definitely think the "points" events should be set at the beginning of the season, and not change.

[MHISSTC]

Since my work requires I make planning schedules up to about 6 months out, and we had to make some tough decisions as to which single "long haul" event we attend, I have to agree with John about adding points races after the season has started. Barring any unforseen unfortunate circumstances, I also feel the number of points events should not change once the season starts.

If points are given at Hastings, would it be fair to make the folks who attend Hastings drop 4 races instead of the normal 2 so that folks who made plans for the season before the season started would potentially end up with an "equal" number of races?

[docwyte]

Sure, as long as the other people have to drop for any of the points race weekends I miss because of my military duty.

Those are conflicts I have no choice about, so why should I (or others in similar situations as me) be penalized?

I understand about schedules and costs, but why should I get penalized because I'm able to make this race as well as essentially getting penalized for missing PMP?

Either make everyone drop 4, or just keep with what we currently have.

[bpanther]

Since my work requires I make planning schedules up to about 6 months out, and we had to make some tough decisions as to which single "long haul" event we attend, I have to agree with John about adding points races after the season has started. Barring any unforseen unfortunate circumstances, I also feel the number of points events should not change once the season starts.

Unfortunately, the real world does not stay static. You should all be lucky this is not Texas where we added three TT events to the schedule after the original was published. Oddly enough :rolleyes:, the TT competitors in Texas are thrilled to have the extra events to pick and choose from.

This is NOT the first time we have added or changed events after the season started. They move and we have even cancelled events. It's just the way it works.

Figure Hastings as an unfortunate circumstance. After we set the schedule, NASA Central got the event together and we commited to making it a crossover to help attract entries. I should have just left it off our schedule and I wouldn't have to deal with the issues that have arisen from trying to make sure their first event wasn't a complete cluster and a massive failure. :(

[docwyte]

Dave, I appreciate your efforts and am happy that more events got added to the schedule. More events means more opportunites to get on track.

[zvtran]

"Unfortunately, the real world does not stay static. ..."

Well said, Dave.

[zvtran]

... If points are given at Hastings, would it be fair to make the folks who attend Hastings drop 4 races instead of the normal 2 so that folks who made plans for the season before the season started would potentially end up with an "equal" number of races?

Without Hastings, there is a maximum of 14 "event days," dropping two would mean a maximum of 12 event days that would count towards the season end point totals. So whether you went to Hastings or not, you would still have a maximum of 12 event days to contribute to your total. So yes, if you went to all events including Hastings, then your total event days would be 16, with only 12 contributing to the total.

So far, only four TT cars are on the list for Hastings.