944-SPEC Car building, info ,plan for next year.

[svochuck]

Well it might seem too soon but if your interested in going racing next year now is the time to start thinking about a car. I think 944-spec is a great place to start.

I took the job of 944-SPEC regional director in the middle of 2006. My job was to show racing can cost less and be fun. I really want to grow this class for next year and I have a goal of 5 cars at each event. why 5 ... thats the point where we get money from TOYO. Who gets the money... we all will. not just the fastest car. I hope to get a regional sponsor and we are looking at a few sponsors on a nation wide scale.

Why 944-SPEC ... simple it's low cost close racing. When a class of car has a tight set of rules it leaves little room for "improving" the car so all of the cars are nearly the same. in 944-SPEC we all run the same tire, brakes, transaxle, engine, ....car. so whats left is driver skill.

Next year I hope NASARM will have a national 944-SPEC race at Miller ! We could have 20+ 944-SPEC cars !!! depends on sponsorship. I think we have over 100 cars built or in build nation wide.

but I really want 5. so here is what i have done. I have 4 (number 5 is on it's way) Porsche's all of them are 1988 models (last year legal for 944-spec) as of now 2 are 944's and 2 are 924S's. My grey car is complete the other cars need some work. what I'm thinking is if you want to race next year lets get going on building you a car. Is does not need to be complete build just legal to race (safety stuff). these cars cost as little as $1300 ! if we put in a autopower bolt in cage for $700 we could have you a car ready to race for under $3000. For $3000 it might not be the best looking or fastest car out there but, if your driving it around 4 other cars wheel to wheel I bet it won't make a big difference. when the year is over and you want to move up a class .... I don't think it would be hard to get your money back. We could do the work at my house and we could build 1 car in a weekend or over a couple of weekends. I am not looking to make money at this (I don't want to loose any).

So who is up for some low cost close racing?

[svochuck]

more info

link to national forum.

http://www.nasaforums.com/viewforum.php?f=40&sid=07b7c0e140ffbd5d19243a026b4cebf3

website

www.944spec.org

btw. NASARM will help you "fast track" to be race ready and we will be doing a racing school to help our new racers !

thanks for looking.

[ker]

yee haw.

cheap and fun way to go racing folks.

[Evil86Saleen]

Good job at taking the ball and running with it Chuck. You the man.

What a great bunch of guys around here.

Kevin,Dave,Chuck,Bruce and Raybob are all rockstars and I am really excited to be a part of NASA RM.

kyle

[Coloradomark]

tempting - very tempting...

[ker]

tempting - very tempting...

take the plunge. :)

[svochuck]

??? how much does it cost ? per day. good question. check out this thread.

http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=56035&highlight=#56035

??? But I don't have a trailer. Ok no problem all of my cars are street legal ! including my complete grey car. yep it still has the cat in it !
or you could buy a used tow dolly like the one I had at pueblo (I could even rent you one at a low low price or rent one from U-haul). with a tow dolly you only need a 1/2 ton truck or a SUV to pull it.

... WOW chuck ! this sounds like FUN me and my buds all want to build cars can you get us more than 4 ? Why yes I can or you could check out "craigslist.com denver" . there are like 10 944's for sale right now. call them up go check it out then make an offer. (I made that one up It kind of sounded like David Dirks huh )

How about some pictures . Sure I will post them ASAP or check out the others.

http://944spec.org/DriverListing/DriverListing.htm

ok guys/gals how about some more questions.

[dmdirks]

WOW chuck ! this sounds like FUN me and my buds all want to build cars can you get us more than 4 ?

Do I really sound like that?? :eek:

Spec 944 does sound like a lot of fun. The plan for next year is to rent one of your cars, then perhaps a Spec Miata, to see if a dedicated track car is really worth doing...especially on our limited budget. Michelle and I get our "fix" quite well in the Corvette, so another option would be just to rent periodically if I wanted to race.

The first obstacle is getting my competition license. Then I can come out and play!!

[svochuck]

??? should i learn to drive on higher HP cars or lower ?
I saw this on a different forum today.

"I think it is pretty well established that low HP cars (LHP) will teach you to be a better driver. That is likely because of two factors. First, they don't have the power to scare you to death. Second, you are more likely to come to the realization that to be fast you have to keep your foot in it. You are not so easily fooled by straight line speed into to thinking you are quick... because there ISN'T any!

Higher HP cars (HHP) always have the potential to get you in trouble. Some people deal well with it, some never learn. Probably a lot of the guys that do learn to handle it cut their teeth in LHPs!

With the HHP, it's down to nerve and setup. The nerve thing is to some extent learned, but mostly inate. Setup takes time. When you get to the point where you want to power a HHP car through the turns, your setup becomes more critical, or perhaps more appropriately, needs to change. You need to change the balance of the car from the neutral settings that make you most comfortable and quick at a linear pace, and set the car up to understeer more than you would normally care to have."

so start with a 944-spec or spec miata (Dave has one for sale) then go race with the Dudes or Kevin !

[ker]

"I think it is pretty well established that low HP cars (LHP) will teach you to be a better driver. That is likely because of two factors. First, they don't have the power to scare you to death. Second, you are more likely to come to the realization that to be fast you have to keep your foot in it. You are not so easily fooled by straight line speed into to thinking you are quick... because there ISN'T any!

Higher HP cars (HHP) always have the potential to get you in trouble. Some people deal well with it, some never learn. Probably a lot of the guys that do learn to handle it cut their teeth in LHPs!

With the HHP, it's down to nerve and setup. The nerve thing is to some extent learned, but mostly inate. Setup takes time. When you get to the point where you want to power a HHP car through the turns, your setup becomes more critical, or perhaps more appropriately, needs to change. You need to change the balance of the car from the neutral settings that make you most comfortable and quick at a linear pace, and set the car up to understeer more than you would normally care to have."

so start with a 944-spec or spec miata (Dave has one for sale) then go race with the Dudes or Kevin !

dead on chuck. start with the lhp and learn to drive the line. driving a hhp car is a very different driving style (not just car prep) to handle the hhp and stay out of trouble (hhp is very easy to get into trouble with before you learn to drive)

maybe instead of "nerve", in my case is lack of smarts? :)

[dmdirks]

btw. NASARM will ... be doing a racing school to help our new racers !

thanks for looking.

Hey Chuck (or ??)

Can you elaborate on the racing school?

[ker]

Hey Chuck (or ??)

Can you elaborate on the racing school?

can't elaborate yet as we are taking the winter months to think about ways to do this. we've had some email discussions prior to the end of the season and will announce something later. stay tuned. :)

[leggwork]

dead on chuck. start with the lhp and learn to drive the line. driving a hhp car is a very different driving style (not just car prep) to handle the hhp and stay out of trouble (hhp is very easy to get into trouble with before you learn to drive)

maybe instead of "nerve", in my case is lack of smarts? :)


and when you get really good with the hhp, you can spin the same way in the corner closest to the audience multiple times in one session. :D

[svochuck]

Check out this thread this class is huge out west! and heading our way!

http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=11833&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[svochuck]

Well guys word has leaked out about me selling my cars at a low cost and I think the grey car is going out of state next month never to be seen in NASARM agian. I might be able to talk him into Hastings. my point is if yall don't want them other drivers do.... If your interested let me know.

it's all good.

[svochuck]

I found 1 or 2 used bolt in cages.... could complete a car for less than $3500.

[Tommy55]

??? should i learn to drive on higher HP cars or lower ?
I saw this on a different forum today.

"I think it is pretty well established that low HP cars (LHP) will teach you to be a better driver. That is likely because of two factors. First, they don't have the power to scare you to death. Second, you are more likely to come to the realization that to be fast you have to keep your foot in it. You are not so easily fooled by straight line speed into to thinking you are quick... because there ISN'T any!

Higher HP cars (HHP) always have the potential to get you in trouble. Some people deal well with it, some never learn. Probably a lot of the guys that do learn to handle it cut their teeth in LHPs!

With the HHP, it's down to nerve and setup. The nerve thing is to some extent learned, but mostly inate. Setup takes time. When you get to the point where you want to power a HHP car through the turns, your setup becomes more critical, or perhaps more appropriately, needs to change. You need to change the balance of the car from the neutral settings that make you most comfortable and quick at a linear pace, and set the car up to understeer more than you would normally care to have."

so start with a 944-spec or spec miata (Dave has one for sale) then go race with the Dudes or Kevin !
I think you are right on the money Chuck. I probably too should have started with lhp. I would have handled my car probably better sooner. But I am a Adrenaline junkie and like to pucker a little before I go farming.
I think it is a great idea to start small bore and learn driving skills. I just like the fact that I can mature with my car a little more. I think nasa is a great place to start because no matter if you are a little timid, or a little on the phsycho side, there is a place for you here at a very good price.
I wish I would have not waited so long to race.
It is the best stress releif I have ever found.
So if anybody wants to just give it a try, Chuck or Raybob can hook you up.:D :D

[ker]

and when you get really good with the hhp, you can spin the same way in the corner closest to the audience multiple times in one session. :D

i think it was luck bruce. :D

[ker]

Check out this thread this class is huge out west! and heading our way!

http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=11833&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

i noticed your post had more cars in it that all the posts prior to your post. :D

i think you shamed the rest to get their posts up.

i am trying to think of a name for your "rental" project. i'm looking at ww1 and ww2 flying "circus" names ;) :D

[Weston]

Very interesting... I was actually looking at 944 Spec just the other day. I've wanted a 944 for a long time now, and it just so happens that I am planning to dump $2-3k into my current car in early 2007, so now I'm kind of playing with the idea of diverting those funds to a 944 Spec project. I also know a few other 944 fans, so I have linked them to this thread.

From looking at the specs, it would appear that a 1988 944 is the car to get, since it has the most powerful engine with the short 5th gear... is that correct? Are there any pros/cons with using a 924S instead? Also, where are you finding these cars for so cheap? Klode? Autotrader didn't look too promising.

[svochuck]

Very interesting... I was actually looking at 944 Spec just the other day. I've wanted a 944 for a long time now, and it just so happens that I am planning to dump $2-3k into my current car in early 2007, so now I'm kind of playing with the idea of diverting those funds to a 944 Spec project. I also know a few other 944 fans, so I have linked them to this thread.

From looking at the specs, it would appear that a 1988 944 is the car to get, since it has the most powerful engine with the short 5th gear... is that correct? Are there any pros/cons with using a 924S instead? Also, where are you finding these cars for so cheap? Klode? Autotrader didn't look too promising.


Correct the 1988 in stock form is closer to a maxed out 944-spec race car. The engine has 1/2 point higher compression and the short 5th gear (when you use it) is mandatory to win. The 88 also has longer lower control arms. Down side to a 88 is the frame seems to weigh more than the early cars. All parts can be swaped between years as long as you maintain track width. Now comes the tricky part... the 924S has the same/better engine in 1988 and the short 5th and... it weighs less than a 944. Now here is the big gottcha The 924S does not have fender flares so it is more aerodynamic (cuts through the air <--- gotta keep it simple in case the SU group is reading) but it has less track width....
The So Cal guys tend to say a 1988 924S is the "best" 944-spec car, maybe cause they have more high speed tracks or Cal speedway is there biggest event.

Because I am the regional director I must say "all cars are pretty much the same" this is a drivers class not a builder class so Todd out at Miller with a non 88 car can pretty much whip me cause he is better on his home track than my 88/skill can make up for.
Over the last year I have been buying these cars when ever and where ever I could 2 from craigs list and 2 from ebay and 1 from rennlist. I will sell them at cost.

I have been watching Klode but I'm only buying 1988's and none have come up this year.

Sound good ?

[ker]

don't worry chuck, i'm not reading. :D

after all. a brick is still a brick ;)

[Weston]

Correct the 1988 in stock form is closer to a maxed out 944-spec race car. The engine has 1/2 point higher compression and the short 5th gear (when you use it) is mandatory to win. The 88 also has longer lower control arms. Down side to a 88 is the frame seems to weigh more than the early cars. All parts can be swaped between years as long as you maintain track width. Now comes the tricky part... the 924S has the same/better engine in 1988 and the short 5th and... it weighs less than a 944. Now here is the big gottcha The 924S does not have fender flares so it is more aerodynamic (cuts through the air <--- gotta keep it simple in case the SU group is reading) but it has less track width....
The So Cal guys tend to say a 1988 924S is the "best" 944-spec car, maybe cause they have more high speed tracks or Cal speedway is there biggest event.

Because I am the regional director I must say "all cars are pretty much the same" this is a drivers class not a builder class so Todd out at Miller with a non 88 car can pretty much whip me cause he is better on his home track than my 88/skill can make up for.
Over the last year I have been buying these cars when ever and where ever I could 2 from craigs list and 2 from ebay and 1 from rennlist. I will sell them at cost.

I have been watching Klode but I'm only buying 1988's and none have come up this year.

Sound good ?


Sounds very good. I can't commit yet, but I have room to keep a 3rd car and I'm seriously considering this. I know that Chris Venturini is pretty interested as well, along with possibly one or two more people that I know. I'm thinking I'll save up my funds this winter and should be in a position to easily jump on any good deals that come along in December or January... Then I'll just have to figure out how to drive a RWD car... :o

As far as licensing goes, what all do I need to do to upgrade my Time Trials license to a race license? I know that with SCCA, I just needed to do one of their "DS" days to get my permit, but I haven't heard any clear explaination about what NASA's proceedure is. Chris is also wondering how long it would take him to go from HPDE 2 to the race group?

Thanks for the info

[svochuck]

Sounds very good. I can't commit yet, but I have room to keep a 3rd car and I'm seriously considering this. I know that Chris Venturini is pretty interested as well, along with possibly one or two more people that I know. I'm thinking I'll save up my funds this winter and should be in a position to easily jump on any good deals that come along in December or January... Then I'll just have to figure out how to drive a RWD car... :o

As far as licensing goes, what all do I need to do to upgrade my Time Trials license to a race license? I know that with SCCA, I just needed to do one of their "DS" days to get my permit, but I haven't heard any clear explaination about what NASA's proceedure is. Chris is also wondering how long it would take him to go from HPDE 2 to the race group?

Thanks for the info

no pressure to jump on this good deal but I don't think your going to find a better car for less than i'm selling mine but there will always be low cost porsche 944's on craigslist and the year is not that big of a deal. so no hurry to get one of these.

moving to a race license from time trail is going to be made easy next year in NASARM we will put on a school... more info to come on that. from HPDE 2 to racing might require 1 more event but we will "fast track" anyone that wants to go racing . John Clark did this moving up one step each event. there is also the option of going to a race school that nasa accepts.

i will start a different thread for our race school.

[svochuck]

I just picked up a new in box autopower bolt in cage got a great deal on it.

[Porschephile924]

I'm gonna be working on getting my 924S ready. However, it's also my winter beater, so it'll be a slow progress...

[Weston]

no pressure to jump on this good deal but I don't think your going to find a better car for less than i'm selling mine but there will always be low cost porsche 944's on craigslist and the year is not that big of a deal. so no hurry to get one of these.

Yeah, I was surprised at how little these cars are going for these days. I assume the interior is shot and the body is a bit rough, but it's not like I'll care too much about that. You'll be the first person I talk to when I'm ready to pick up a car... that should be early January.

By the way, how much of an issue would the 5th gear be at tracks like PMI and La Junta? I'm having trouble finding a decent source of gear ratio info, and I'm also not sure what speeds to expect on those tracks in a 944. What speeds do you see on the main straight and the back straights at PMI?

[svochuck]

Short 5th for NASARM only will make a difference at Miller. Hastings and lajunta do not need it at all, pueblo does use 5th but only for a few seconds so it's not a big deal. Also I was talking to 3 other guys at a PCA event on Sunday and one of them was saying the 1988 computer pulls timing in the heat of racing so that it does not have a power advantage....

Welcome back Porschephile924 !!! Geoff do you think you will be ready for the race school/ first event next year ? We did miss you this year.

[svochuck]

Couple of pictures of my 924S's little bit of wax and thay will look Great!

[svochuck]

And the 944's ...just had to put that boxster in there...

[svochuck]

Well I just found out my black 924S is a "club sport" one of only 500 made... makes it worth a bit more $. So no weld in cage for it and I guess just keep up with what I take off and don't cut it up ?

[chris_venturini]

just need to find a buyer for my 240 and ill gladly take one of those off your hands

[Weston]

Good looking cars... they are certainly in much better shape than I was expecting, based on the price range. Was that red 944 picked up for less than $2k, or is the sub-$2000 price range pretty much only for 924S models?

[svochuck]

ball park price is...
white 924S $1600 <---- GREAT DEAL

red 944 $3400 <----- it has more parts on it. rear sway bar, front springs, nice black interior (can be sold) or I could remove the rear bar and front springs ... $3000

Black 924S is the one I'm keeping for now...?

Grey 944-spec is sold I think $9500.

all of these are being sold at cost. I'm just trying to pass along a good deal to racers that I will see every race weekend. When I get back from vacation anyone interested can come over and check them out.

[svochuck]

1987 924S for sale. pm me if you want to know what i think about it. looks pretty on the outside...

http://denver.craigslist.org/car/227943910.html

[MHISSTC]

http://denver.craigslist.org/car/227943910.html

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/indischrot/car%20for%20sale/outside_rightfront.jpg

Oh no...it's in Hays, KS. Potential race cars in that kind of proximity to me are dangerous. That's only 2 hours from me and about 5-6 hours from Denver. Plus, the ad says they could deliver it up to 300 miles. So, if anyone buys this car, they could have it deliverd to me and I'd be willing to help get it to the Denver area. Let me know. We will be making a trip to the Denver area in the Novermber 14-16 time frame and can drop it off then.

Scott

[MHISSTC]

What are the differences between a 924S and a 924S "Club Sport"? Can a person easily tell the difference without digging into it? Were they only made during certain years?

[svochuck]

The 924S club sport has the 030 option code. The codes are located on the inside rear hatch area. I don't know if they made them in 87 mine is a 88.

[Weston]

The 924S club sport has the 030 option code. The codes are located on the inside rear hatch area. I don't know if they made them in 87 mine is a 88.

That's the one that comes with the Koni Shocks, right? How do they compare to the Koni part numbers listed in the rules? Are they the same? Being a factory option, would they would be legal to add to any 944-spec? I had come across some M030 shocks on eBay a few days ago and they seemed like they were going for fairly cheap.

By the way, I spotted an '88 924S on Craigslist for $1500 OBO... http://denver.craigslist.org/car/228386283.html

I'd consider picking it up myself, but I'm trying to be responsible with my money (for once) and wait a couple of months...

[svochuck]

"By the way, I spotted an '88 924S on Craigslist for $1500 OBO... http://denver.craigslist.org/car/228386283.html"

I test drove that one and the owner wants to buy my red 1988 944 when he sells his 924S. it has some problems but they can be fixed.

[svochuck]

The guy who wanted my grey 1988 944-spec race car just ran into a problem selling his house, he is sticking with his comitment to buy my race car but, said i could sell it local if i wanted to. so...

I have a grey (i bet it has a special porsche name) 1988 944-spec race car for sale. To all of yall I will sell it at my cost and we could configure it a few different ways.

"as is" it is just about a full blown "built to spec" 944-spec. $9300ish

we could swap out parts and remove some items to get it down to around $8000. or we could remove more items that i would not recomend for a price near $6000.

i will post it in classifieds soon with more info.

[svochuck]

"That's the one that comes with the Koni Shocks, right? How do they compare to the Koni part numbers listed in the rules? Are they the same? Being a factory option, would they would be legal to add to any 944-spec? I had come across some M030 shocks on eBay a few days ago and they seemed like they were going for fairly cheap."

mine does not have koni's just stiffer springs and sway bars i guess....

m030 is allowed but no coil overs.

i did not buy those on ebay cause sometimes there worn out and the new ones don't cost that much extra...

[chris_venturini]

i found this on ebay for anyone that might be interested. seems like a decent deal, id probably get it myself but im not 100% sure ill be doing this, only 90% :P.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PORSCHE-944-MSDS-HEADER-FITS-83-TO-89-2-5_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33631QQihZ019QQitemZ2 90043861633QQrdZ1

[svochuck]

A header is free/allowed in 944-spec ... for one good reason the stock header is awesome ... the powers that be say there is no HP to be found in changing out headers. the only reason to get an after market header is if yours is broke.

[chris_venturini]

yeah, i was reading that on the spec forums, seems to be some controversy, some people swear by it while others say theres no advantage. id probably spend money elsewhere in tires or seat time.

[MHISSTC]

I been edumacatin' myselves 'bout them wheezy little 4-popper Porshes and found these sites to be very informative:

http://www.924.org/contents.htm

http://www.cantonia.com/watercooler.html

Oh wait, why am I even looking at them, I have a CMC car in the driveway that still needs to be built. ;)

[svochuck]

why are you looking at them? cause they look goood. yep .... goood.

just like "jake" in 16 candles Molly was all over that car.

[svochuck]

944-spec car count and info.

Rocky Mountian region.

My 1988 grey 944 done in use.

my 1988 red 944 should be ready for next year/for sale.

my 1988 black 924S should be ready for next year. I will drive it.

my 1988 white 924S trying to sell for a 944-spec or i will build it.

Todd "red rat" done in use (UT/miller).

Geoff 924S in build.

3 more cars/drivers on the fence all near denver (they have the cars) and are PCA Racers/Drivers

and I guess 1 others + weston and chris venturini looking to buy a car .

[cullenwinter]

Hi Chuck (and others) thought you might want to check this out http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&paId=205267898&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=6&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_41_%7CD-_389_%7CN-N%7CR-250%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-87571&aff=national

Selling Points: Vehicle is in good condition considering it is a 22 year old driver. Mechanically sound: engine uses no oil, transmission shifts great, steering doesn't pull, brakes great. Prior owner installed a roll bar and 5 point safety belts. Other than that it is just good Porsche for not a lot of money.

I had to copy that, apparently this owner doesn't agree with the roll cage, hmmmm....

[MHISSTC]

why are you looking at them? cause they look goood. yep .... goood.

just like "jake" in 16 candles Molly was all over that car.

True, true. I'm thinking it has something to do with my affinity for Mercury Capris...the bubble back glass, spoiler and flared fenders...mmmm!

Or, maybe I'm just kidding myself and it's merely my low budget attempt at becoming more "Ryanesque" in a futile attempt to fulfill my teenage desire of attracting Molly Ringwald. OK...now I've said too much.

http://www.imcdb.org/images/000/300.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/muscle_cars_only/capri2058.jpg

[svochuck]

now that picture says it all ... that Porsche just looks too good. as for the merc... when i did my SVO road racer I did have the merc fenders on it but, i don't think i did it for any other reason than wide tires.

"OK...now I've said too much." yep.

[bpanther]

http://denver.craigslist.org/car/242592391.html
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/238933430.html
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/240776447.html
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/241313065.html
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/242592391.html
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/242612232.html
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/244597523.html
http://denver.craigslist.org/car/244790253.html

[Weston]

As I mentioned on the national forum, I recently picked up a red '83 944 for my 944-spec car. It looks like we're going to need some different colors in our region though...

[cullenwinter]

Congrat's Witt !!

[bpanther]

Congrat's Witt !!

That's Weston..... All those white Integra's look the same!

[cullenwinter]

That's Weston..... All those white Integra's look the same!

Oooops, Congrats Weston. I bet to the Integra guys, Silver wagons all look the same too :o

[Snymo]

Chuck, here's 924 that you might like. Would this qualify for the spec 944 series?!?! :D

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/15/maximum-plush-fully-upholstered-porsche-924/

Rick

[Evil86Saleen]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kyle

[95sprtcpedrvr]

JESUS CHRIS-PA!!! That by far is the best looking 944/924 I've ever seen. ;)

[Snymo]

I don't come up with this stuff, I just post about it! :D

Rick

[svochuck]

Sorry Rick the only 924's allowed are the "S" model 1987 and 1988...

or were you just kidding?


I'm thinking if Rick had that car then out ran me on the track, man o man I would just sell my 944-spec and go race SU.

[MHISSTC]

:eek:

So if the inside AND the outside is padded, can you get a waiver to not have to use a roll cage?

[svochuck]

we might have a new 944-spec racer coming soon.... John Taylor (no relation) is coming to look at my red car and he wants to race it...
so we have the
1,2 "porsche twins"
3 john taylor
4 "the red rat"
5 Geoffery Schilling
6,7,8 PCA racers that might come out.

9,10,11 my 3 cars.

10 racers at Pueblo would be awesome ! I would be real happy with 5.

[ker]

we might have a new 944-spec racer coming soon.... John Taylor (no relation) is coming to look at my red car and he wants to race it...
so we have the
1,2 "porsche twins"
3 john taylor
4 "the red rat"
5 Geoffery Schilling
6,7,8 PCA racers that might come out.

9,10,11 my 3 cars.

10 racers at Pueblo would be awesome ! I would be real happy with 5.

toyo bucks...here ya come. :)