Info for the weekend

[bpanther]

The weekend will feature HPDE, Time Trials and Racing.

Here is a proposed schedule:

Friday May 19th
Open Test & Tune for race cars
Instructor Training

Saturday May 20th
HPDE 1, 2, 3, 4
Time Trials
Racing

Sunday May 21st
HPDE 1, 2, 3, 4
Time Trials
Racing

The pricing is being targeted at $175/$299 for 1/2 days of HPDE. Racing starts at $299 for the weekend. Availability of Friday open test & tune ($175) is dependant on total entries.

Racing will have all the normal NASA classes (American Iron, SpecMiata, FFR, BabyGrand, SpecFocus, HondaChallenge, etc). We will also be featuring the following classes for the weekend:

German Touring Series (www.gtschallenge.com) & BMWCCA (www.bmwccaclubracing.com)
US Touring Car Championship (www.ustcc.com)
Formula TR (www.formulatr.com)

[happychap]

I have several questions as I have never done a HPDE before and this event would be my first

Firstly do you know how much time on the track there will for a 1 day event?

As I drive a Miata what kind of roll over protection would I need. I have 2 Miatas 1 has the Hard Dog Hard bar which I'm pretty sure doesn't meet requirements and the other car has a Hard Dog Deuce roll bar which I am hoping will be acceptable, I also have a hard top I could fit to either car if that is installed is the roll bar still required.

Is an open face SA helmet acceptable or does it need to be full face with shield in a convertible??

[Uli]

Hi Dave,

Excellent pricing for such an expensive track to rent.

How many participants do you expect for the event to make this work? I'm a little concerned that with the good pricing you need many drivers...

[MSM]

Kudos on what seems like reasonable pricing considering the MMP $$$.

Similar question to Uli ... how many drivers do you run in each group?

How well do you qualify drivers for different groups?

My son and I run in advanced groups with other clubs. It's great when the clubs do a good job qualifying and enforcing the groups. SpeedVentures, Racerfactory, NCRC all do an exceptional job. I won't mention the other ones by name. :D

Is there a class for racing / time trials for FI S2000? I'd love to do Honda Challenge; but there's no way I'm taking the super charger out.

[MSM]

Answered my own question on classing for time trials using the nifty online calc. My car and my son's are both in TTB.

Will you be adding other dates at MMP to the schedule? May is already pretty heavily booked for us with track events. I do need to spend some time at work. :p

[Uli]

I have several questions as I have never done a HPDE before and this event would be my first

Firstly do you know how much time on the track there will for a 1 day event?

As I drive a Miata what kind of roll over protection would I need. I have 2 Miatas 1 has the Hard Dog Hard bar which I'm pretty sure doesn't meet requirements and the other car has a Hard Dog Deuce roll bar which I am hoping will be acceptable, I also have a hard top I could fit to either car if that is installed is the roll bar still required.

Is an open face SA helmet acceptable or does it need to be full face with shield in a convertible??
The answer to all your questions: http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf

11.4.7 Roll Bars

I'm sure that if you stopped by at Vesko (4333 S. 300 W., SLC) he would give you a definitive answer: 801-269-9205

He also could tech your car before the event.

Nope, I'm not affiliated nor do I get commissions. :D

[bpanther]

Good job guys, I knew if I waited long enough you would find the answers :D.

We are expecting about 200 cars. Many of the pro groups from CA are bringing 20-30 cars each. The lower fees only works on quantity (don't worry we retain quality). Others that are renting the track hope to have 50 cars - this is why they charge big money.


Happychap, it looks like the HDH is only 1.5" so that's not legal. I will look closer at the Deuce and see if it will work or not. Typically it is the HDHC models that are ok. If you look at their site, the ones marked approved for SoloI will meet our rules.

[Biggie]

I can not wait... Nasa events are the most enjoyable track outings I go to and this one will hopefully be phenomenal!:D

[happychap]

Thw following section in the rules probably makes the deuce a no-no as well
"The roll bar’s main hoop should extend
the full width of the car (except certain cars that have been approved by NASA). The
main hoop shall be one continuous piece"

It's a double hoop bar although it's contruction is great

"Constructed of highest quality 1-3/4 X .120 inch 1026 alloy seamless drawn over mandrel steel or T-304 stainless steel tubing
10 structural attachment points w/ laser cut 3/16" mounting and backup plates"

So the question is, if I use my hard top do I still need a rollbar?

[Uli]

Thw following section in the rules probably makes the deuce a no-no as well
"The roll bar’s main hoop should extend
the full width of the car (except certain cars that have been approved by NASA). The
main hoop shall be one continuous piece"

It's a double hoop bar although it's contruction is great

"Constructed of highest quality 1-3/4 X .120 inch 1026 alloy seamless drawn over mandrel steel or T-304 stainless steel tubing
10 structural attachment points w/ laser cut 3/16" mounting and backup plates"

So the question is, if I use my hard top do I still need a rollbar?
The other question is: "Do you think it will be safe with only a hardtop?", even if the rules would allow it.

[happychap]

I actually think the Deuce is just as safe as any other roll bar with or without the hard top but from reading the rules it's probably not allowed.

The hard top would just be additional protection

[Uli]

I actually think the Deuce is just as safe as any other roll bar with or without the hard top but from reading the rules it's probably not allowed.

The hard top would just be additional protection
Good point, I hear you.

[Uli]

So Dave, you are going for the full track each day, correct?

With 200 drivers, how many sessions for how many minutes do you anticipate per run group so we get a feel for how much seat time we will get per driver?

[jweiss]

Kudos for a great weekend schedule and excellent pricing. I look forward to driving and instructing with NASA again.

Cheers,

Jeff

[bpanther]

So Dave, you are going for the full track each day, correct?

With 200 drivers, how many sessions for how many minutes do you anticipate per run group so we get a feel for how much seat time we will get per driver?

Yes it will be the full course on all three days.

For a huge track like Miller, the total number of cars isn't the limiting factor, but it is the # of run groups (2 or 3 HPDE groups and 4 race groups). We are still playing with the schedule to make it fit. For HPDE session the NASA minimum standard is four 20 minute sessions each day.

[bpanther]

I actually think the Deuce is just as safe as any other roll bar with or without the hard top but from reading the rules it's probably not allowed.

Happy,

I have an answer for you. You have a PM.

[happychap]

That's great, thanks Dave

[Byron Smith]

I'm sure that if you stopped by at Vesko (4333 S. 300 W., SLC) he would give you a definitive answer: 801-269-9205

He also could tech your car before the event.



Is Vesko an authorized NASA annual tech shop for a race car? or MPACT?

[bpanther]

MPACT will be. I need to do some paperwork before they can do race car logbooks.

[bpanther]

Sunday May 21st
HPDE 3 & 4 only
Time Trials
Racing


I've gotten some feedback from a couple different people that HPDE1 and 2 would wanted on Sunday. I left it off due to prior info that HPDE1 and 2 would not be well attended on Sundays by SLC locals.

Anybody (i.e. locals) have an opinion on this?

[Uli]

I've gotten some feedback from a couple different people that HPDE1 and 2 would wanted on Sunday. I left it off due to prior info that HPDE1 and 2 would not be well attended on Sundays by SLC locals.

Anybody (i.e. locals) have an opinion on this?
Hard to tell how Sunday will turn out. The local IVR has had events on Sundays with good attendance AFAIK.

Since I haven't attended a NASA event I probably would end up in HPDE 1. Having no option to drive on Sunday I was considering other events. However, if you open it up for HPDE1 on Sunday, I'll plan to be there.

[jweiss]

I've gotten some feedback from a couple different people that HPDE1 and 2 would wanted on Sunday. I left it off due to prior info that HPDE1 and 2 would not be well attended on Sundays by SLC locals.

Anybody (i.e. locals) have an opinion on this?
The notion that everyone in Salt Lake City is in church on Sunday is a myth - Only half the people are :)

[Uli]

MPACT will be. I need to do some paperwork before they can do race car logbooks.
So MPACT/Rob, the SCCA Road Racing director, is the only option in SLC as of right now or is that only for race cars? :confused:

[bpanther]

So MPACT/Rob, the SCCA Road Racing director, is the only option in SLC as of right now or is that only for race cars? :confused:

Well.... Rob *is* a NASA member and fields cars in our USTCC series.:cool:

I'm going to get Vesko setup as well. Maybe Dr. Gas? I'm open to other suggestions as well.

Maybe Cobb - I need to talk to Trey. I was hoping to get them setup as an official NASA dyno shop, but they dont' have the right make/model:( .

[jweiss]

You should talk to the guys at Motorsport as well.

Motor Sport
(801) 487-6733
2128 Richards St
Salt Lake City, UT 84115

And Air Power Racing - they do a lot of the car prep and tech for our local PCA club racing guys:

Air Power Racing Incorporated
(801) 476-7067
5780 Oakwood Dr
Ogden, UT 84405

[MSM]

I've gotten some feedback from a couple different people that HPDE1 and 2 would wanted on Sunday. I left it off due to prior info that HPDE1 and 2 would not be well attended on Sundays by SLC locals.

Anybody (i.e. locals) have an opinion on this?
My son and I will both be there on Sun.

[jjc]

hello,
i'm wondering when registration will open for this event?
thanks

[bpanther]

As soon as I can get the Pueblo weekend out of the way, we'll get it turned on. :D

[jclark]

Dave,

How much track time would I actually get in HPDE1? Price seems great but drive is long (from NM) for what appears to be 1 day of HPDE1.

John

[Warrtalon]

Dave,

How much track time would I actually get in HPDE1? Price seems great but drive is long (from NM) for what appears to be 1 day of HPDE1.

John

HPDE1 got 90 minutes of track time each day (180 total) at PMI. You should get 2 days unless you can't attend on Friday.

[jclark]

Thanks for the reply. I was not sure because the schedule showed testing on Friday. It would be worth the drive if I could have the two days and the same track time we had this past weekend.

[Warrtalon]

Thanks for the reply. I was not sure because the schedule showed testing on Friday. It would be worth the drive if I could have the two days and the same track time we had this past weekend.

The schedule on the first post of this thread says:

Friday May 19th
HPDE 1, 2, 3, 4
Open Test & Tune for race cars

Are you looking at a different schedule?

[jclark]

Yes I'm looking at the same but thought the open test and tune was for everyone and that it was not the normal times we had this week. If it is that would be great. I have a friend in CA with acura integra that I'm trying to get to meet me there. I told him how great this weekend was and that he should come to Miller with his car.

[Warrtalon]

Nah, it says that the racers have open test and tune. Those are the guys who really race instead of doing the Driver's Ed like us...

[Ludachris]

Hey Clay, you planning on going up to Miller - or is that too close to your family plans :)? I have a wedding to go to on that Saturday, but I'm considering trying to go up for a day for some ride-alongs and to help work the event on Friday, then maybe just fly back that night.

[380ss]

Clayton, anybody. Do you know how long of a drive it would be from CO Springs to the UT track?

[Ludachris]

I understand it's between 8-9 hours away. That's quite a drive, but I think this is the type of track that makes the drive worth it. If I could just get this couple to push off their wedding! :D

[bpanther]

I understand it's between 8-9 hours away. That's quite a drive, but I think this is the type of track that makes the drive worth it. If I could just get this couple to push off their wedding! :D

I already told you we would be happy to rent the club house and they can have the wedding at the track!!!!

[JLMounce]

I understand it's between 8-9 hours away. That's quite a drive, but I think this is the type of track that makes the drive worth it. If I could just get this couple to push off their wedding! :D


I think that's 8-9 hours from the Denver area. Add in an hour or so for C.Sprgs area.


lol you've just got to decide which is more important. Friend's wedding, or driving a world class track like MMP.

I think the choice is obvious ;)

[Ludachris]

I already told you we would be happy to rent the club house and they can have the wedding at the track!!!!
Don't think I'm not still pushing that idea!

[Warrtalon]

Chris, it is probably too close to the due date, so we'll see. I won't register until the last minute possible because of that, but I really want to go.

[MattB]

I'm interested in the HPDE1 and 2, for all three days. When can we register and pay for the event?

[eric16v]

I'll be there both days. I signed up in group 1 since I haven't been on a track in 2 years and with this being a new track, wanted to get some pointers for this track.

[leggwork]

I'm interested in the HPDE1 and 2, for all three days. When can we register and pay for the event?

look for the sticky message at the beginning of this thread
bruce

[UTMR2turbo]

I've gotten some feedback from a couple different people that HPDE1 and 2 would wanted on Sunday. I left it off due to prior info that HPDE1 and 2 would not be well attended on Sundays by SLC locals.

Anybody (i.e. locals) have an opinion on this?

I hadn;t seen this thread when I signed up, but I am local, and I signed up for HPDE 1 Sunday.

[Motion 3]

My wife and I are going to be there for HPDE 2 on both days. I know of two others who are signing up that are SLC locals also. In my religion, the seventh day was created for racing!:D

[Uli]

I live in the SLC area and I signed up for HPDE2 both days.

[Uli]

I read that Dave is possibly expecting over 200 cars.:eek: Is there any organization for the paddock or is it first come, first served? The paddock is fairly big but that’s a fair amount of cars to keep it all organized.

[bpanther]

I read that Dave is possibly expecting over 200 cars.:eek: Is there any organization for the paddock or is it first come, first served? The paddock is fairly big but that’s a fair amount of cars to keep it all organized.

THE CIRCUS IS COMING TO TOWN!!!!

Yes... we could hit 200 cars. This is small for a NASA event - we sometimes see 400 :eek: at the bigger events.

I'm working on a map with Mitch as we speak. I had hoped to have it sent out with the acceptance package, but we're trying to work around some last minute paving. Hopefully I can post something this weekend.

Yes, as people start rolling in on Thursday we (NASA and the track) will be directing traffic. We've got at least 20 very large semi or 40'+ enclosed trailers & big RVs to deal with.

It will be very important that you see where other of "your kind" are pitted and get cozy with them. For example, all of the HPDE cars should attempt to park near one another. All of the BMW/GTS cars should pit together. Not only is it easier to find everyone, it creates a small town for each group:rolleyes:.

HPDE folks should plan to get to the gate no later than 7:00 or so. This will be a test of the real front gate for the track and we are not sure what the wait will be like.

[eric16v]

would it be possible to park friday night for the HPDE folks? I am trailering my car down.

[bpanther]

would it be possible to park friday night for the HPDE folks? I am trailering my car down.

Yes. No problem.

[BVinson]

Hey Dave,
Any chance of posting an entry list? If not, no big deal. Just wondering who all is goin'.;)

[bpanther]

Hey Dave,
Any chance of posting an entry list? If not, no big deal. Just wondering who all is goin'.;)

Working on it.... (you'll be disappointed in the HC entries :( )

[BVinson]

yeah, because of my guys!:mad: oh well, it will be fun at a new track!